@mangeurdenuage I remember when EA made players pay for Mass Effect DLC that was already on the disc. I got around it by modding my X360 save, but I could because my console was offline.
@realcaseyrollins CS = Customer service, check the screenshots, ultra unhelpful. If you get banned I know a bunch of companies absolutely won't tell you and won't want to talk to you
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@coolboymew at the same time i gotta hand it to gabe tho. Steam so far (after 2 decades). Steam has been giving a better deal than pirates, and you can still pirate just fine on deck.
I actually pirated a free (gratis) game that became a paid game with little to no improvement out of spite even though it would have been easier to pay and get it from steam. And it's not a great game either (head over heels).
I loathe to think of time when gabe retires image.png
@hj@coolboymew I remember when Steam first launched in 2003. it was a buggy pile of shit that could only play Half-Life and mods of Half-Life. every vidya website mocked it. but Newell kept working and turned it into something gigantic.
I still pirate most of my entertainment, though. yo ho ho
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@coolboymew yeah I still remember the "no-steam" CS:S servers and the "A.I. Disabled..." anti-piracy in half-life 2 and episodes. It was garbage at launch and was more of a form of DRM to Source/GoldSrc (rereleases of) games. Some of those things still remain today, like you cannot move GoldSrc games between drives because they are all stored in half-life directory, and moving them also means moving everything else which steam just can't comprehend as it doesn't really apply to other games.
While I do still buy most of the games on steam it's usually indies and like. Pirating anime is also normal since there usually either no distributors or they are complete fucking dog shit, plus even if distributors are "decent" they aren't really paying to original creators either.
I do share louis rossman's approach though - if you provide shit to me i'm just not interested in your content, it doesn't exist to me. Much like I see EGS exclusives as "delayed". .jpg
@mangeurdenuage@hj@coolboymew DRM is a major problem. the only stuff I buy on Steam is stuff under 5 bucks or games where I specifically want to support the creators.
@hj@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad I can't wait for steam to die and people getting fucked by corporate conman via DRMs. It's already more or less the case in the past you could saved a copy of your steam game locally and then re-import it from that copy without needing an internet connection, last time I tried (2014) it didn't allow to re import without an internet connection.
@mangeurdenuage@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad let me just remind you that steam has optional DRM and a lot of the games sold there are actually DRM-free. Steam's own DRM is just steamclientapi.dll that is piss-easy to circumvent. I still remember downloading Dungeons of Dredmor on windows steam (on wine) and just running the (linux!) executable, years before steam on linux became even a possibility.
It's just a storefront with some neat features and custom protocol for downloading stuff.
At the very least they aren't making outrageous claims and promises that they end up failing to deliver on (cough) GOG (cough)
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@coolboymew@hj I repeat myself, but as much as I admire any content creator that makes art/gameplay, like any boardgame, the fact that a vg is proprietary is as much of an issue than DRM is.
@hj@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad The moment Gabe dies or retires from steam I'll start migrating off of it. It'll certainly be gobbled up by the money-grabbers and turn to shit really quick.
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@noyoushutthefuckupdad whomever start saying shit about achievements/matchmaking/networking being "the DRM" i'm gonna throw stones and yell "go back to using gog galaxy 2.0 and epic game store"
Only one thing that I do think steam has massive flaw is that games often outright require update, even in offline mode. If game doesn't work in offline mode it's usually gamedev's intention/fault. .gif
@coolboymew@graf@noyoushutthefuckupdad i still use it from source, thankfully i don't have to manage git repo myself as i did back in Debian days, now it's just an AUR.
@mangeurdenuage@hj@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad There's differences but I see your point as in the end it's often the same (like on the legality of sharing mods, DRM just makes most of them illegal even for private use). And even if Steam doesn't forces DRM, the way the main client works is way too botnet-like due to the forced updates (which could be used to introduce DRM).
@coolboymew@thatbrickster@mangeurdenuage@realcaseyrollins people shit on dark souls 2 for a variety of reasons but god damn did they ever get that sorta thing right the preorder bonus got you sidegrades that were only useful for niche situations or builds at the start instead of the halfway point the dlc items were available to anyone who didn't have the dlc by doing co-op in the available-to-everyone dlc preview area
@a1ba@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@noyoushutthefuckupdad it is nice that some steam features that have been left to decay (and coincidentally been a talking point for reeeeee'ers) like offline mode has been fixed and improved due to their necessity on steam deck.
@a1ba@hj@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage everyone I know who has a Steam Deck really likes them. I wish people still called it the Gabe Gear, that was was great nickname.
@lanodan@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@noyoushutthefuckupdad at the end of the day it's the intentions that matter. Steam has legacy of being a product of botnet environment (ex-microsoft employees, literally being just a DRM for half-life) and its development has priorities as you might expect.
All the things they do so far indicate that they don't really intend on being big bad DRM industry as some people make them out to be. Offline mode got improved, LAN transfer got implemented, deck was released and it has zero lockdown you'd expect from i.e. Sony or Nintendo.
@a1ba@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@noyoushutthefuckupdad original big picture was fucking broken tbh and barely fucking worked, I used it a lot and i had to switch to desktop mode or restart it on every second sneeze.
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@hj@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@a1ba when i first played portal i didnt know anything about half life or gabe newell. i start up portal with commentary enabled and i thought it was hilarious that they guy talking said "i can be reached at GayBen@valvesoftware.com"
I cannot take you seriously, you prefer a horse carriage powered by donkey on cocaine that runs at 200kmh but dies after 100 meters over a bicycle that's slower but runs for kilometers?
Chromium is just part of life now, like it or not. Thanks, for nothing, mozilla. forman.png
@hj@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage@noyoushutthefuckupdad I see it more as something that while still having the botnet/DRM brainworms they do care a lot about their customers, unlike the vast majority of corporations (Sony and Nintendo being particularly bad).
But it doesn't makes Steam exempt from criticism on specific points, at least I don't think we should compromise ourselves to see Steam as good, but rather acknowledge the bad points and make informed choices (like how Dad doesn't pays more than 5 bucks).
People won't stop glorifying this fat fucking faggot, but the truth is, this guy is as much of a scumbag as Sony and Microshit.
They tried to fuck around and find out with Australian and Europe consumer laws several times and judges kept telling them to fuck off or comply with their consumer protection laws. The fact Valve is less scummy than other companies is in spite of them, not thanks to them, and more thanks to consumer laws from Europe and Australia.
tldr: Don't be a fucking retard, none of these distribution companies are consumer friendly and if they could, they would fuck you in the ass without thinking twice.
> Steam has been a better deal than pirates
You're clinically retarded if you truly believe DRMed content will somehow be superior in practice and technically than pirated or DRM free content. The only distributor that doesn't completely fucking suck is GOG that has a zero tolerance policy with DRM.
@jihadjimmy@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad incorrect. Gog has been breaking their promises non-stop. They make promises and claims but never deliver. So please take your gog pimping and shove it up your ass.
Wrong, GOG has been in terms of distribution, they sell you shit no questions asked, no DRM bullshit involved, you can even download the stuff they sell directly from a web browser without need to ever touching launchers. The only other one that comes close is itch.io but they have no policy to stop devs from implementing their own DRM schemes if they want to.