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   @sim @amerika I’ve just realised you tagged his wrong account: @amerika

   I think the term he uses is “ultra-right”, but I may be misremembering.

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     Good morning guys. Thanks for remembering me. I keep an account alive at freespeechextremist.com because I like what @p is doing there and want to support it, but probably belong on No Agenda.

     I started out as a regular Democrat-Republican from the 1970s, which means someone who is basically a Democrat but gets Republican whenever money or more government are mentioned. Most of America was at that time, I think.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     However, something was always not quite right about that; I just knew I was not ready yet to understand politics.

     In the meantime, since an early age, I had been a nihilist, meaning one who rejects everything that is not part of the whole of natural reality. This made me grow up literally hating Jesus like a skinhead.

     When the black metal bands burned 92 churches in Norway, I cheered them on.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     So it was unlikely that I would come to the Right at all, and doubly so because my primary issue was and is the environment.

     I love my critters, trees, grasslands, bayous, lakes, streams, and even the I-45 killing grounds just a few miles south of here.

     To me it became clear that environmentalists needed more realistic plans based on actual needs of ordinary people instead of vandalizing another bulldozer.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     At the same time, I recognized that what we on the Left were saying we wanted to achieve was not borne out by what we were achieving.

     That is, there was a disconnect between idea and reality. As a theory head, this screams "bad theory" to me.

     There was also the problem of the Greeks.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     Since I was very young, I have been in love with the ancient Greeks. "The Odyssey" blew my mind, the "Aeneid" charmed me, and when I got to "The Republic" I felt like I had come home.

     This takes you to about age 13. I am a preteen nihilist who disagrees with everything his society is doing and realizes that it is going to fall like Athens.

     I stayed with the Left through my teens and early 20s from lack of a better option.

     Or so I thought.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     Sooo... we have to put the Right in context here.

     If you grew up in 1980s Texas, you knew that if you wore an ankh, all black, metal shirt, or pentagram to high school, you were getting paddled and/or sent home.

     It was a wonderfully "fascist" time, which produced the kind of authority figures that are fun to rebel against.

     I was a rebellious but sensible kid, meaning not very destructive but always furious at society as I saw it.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     Once I got to explore more of the world, I realized that the place I had come from was, relative to most of the rest, paradise, and the fascists were not so fascist as much as scared out of their minds for how we were going to turn out in the post-1960s years.

     Mix a bit of black metal in there, which is far more extreme than Nazism, and I was on my way past the far-Right to something else.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     It's important now that we find a useful definition of far-Right, so here is mine: the genetically-aware Right, the side of the Right that embraces both Darwinism and nationalism.

     Unfortunately, the "far-Right" as defined by media means anyone further Right than a moderate Democrat or more authoritarian than a professional dog walker (they can actually be fashy at times, saviors that they are).

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     Black metal adored the ancient, as I did, and also rejected the humanist/individualist morality of our time in favor of something more "of the whole." This was a huge influence, but I wanted continuity of past and future, since I have primarily been interested in creating the greatness of the past in the future, and of course, coming from Pynchon fandom, in restraining technology.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     I should add Ted K in here. I was a regular poster on alt.fan.unabomber back in the 1990s. I do not agree with Ted's thesis; Plato's is better. But he makes a point about technology enabling a failing society and also threatening The Ecocide on nature.

     Anyway, it is hard to tell exactly when the shift to the Right occurred, because it happened in degrees over many years, but when it did, I turned back to the Greeks.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     Most people do not study "The Republic" obsessively. But having enjoyed Kant, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, and Aurelius, I had a good background to parse it with clear eyes.

     The result of this intensified my alienation from the mainstream Right.

     These were the people who wasted our childhoods on Jesus, Satanic Panic, Moral Majority, prayer in schools, flag burning, abortion, and so on.

     I hated them like a skinhead too.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     However, looking at the history of Leftism, it was clear that it arose in response to permanent civilization, and that I did not have to assume a legitimacy to its cause because "the poor are always with you" as someone said once.

     This allowed me to distill by philology:

     * Left: egalitarianism/individualism
     * Right: natural order/divine chain of being

     I summarize this as "Left=equality, Right=order" for convenience.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     At that point I figured, why keep screwing around?

     If you are going to go Right wing, go all the way so that you do not confuse method (Jesus) with goal (reverence of the sacred).

     This got me to:

     * Monarchism/aristocracy/hierarchy
     * Some kind of social filter to remove bad genes and promote good ones
     * Capitalism wins by default because everything else is insane
     * Only mono-ethnic societies have a future

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     So in this sense, I am furthest Right. I have gone beyond where others will go because they are afraid of taboo topics like Darwinism and adualistic religion.

     I consider myself a believer, but I do not believe in the symbolic representation of God as a universal and humanistic moral thinker as portrayed in Abrahamic religions.

     I am a conservative, but I am not interested in the controlling intermediate steps that obsess the American Right.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     I find Hitler and the Nazis depressing despite them having some of my favorite environmental policies.

     He recreated the French Revolution government, then ran through the Napoleonic Cycle, and in the end, seemed to want to go out in a Wagnerian moment rather than have steered himself to win.

     A lot of good people died in that war and the one before it. I do not like to think about either one at all.

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     @amerika @Flick @amerika @sim Not to interrupt this, as it's fascinating, but:
     
     > seemed to want to go out in a Wagnerian moment
     
     Gabriel d'Annunzio, a good friend of Mussolini and probably his chief influence, was the one that articulated fascism. He wrote that one of the issues with democracy is that it "lacks a dramatic arc". There was less war (necessary for a dramatic arc), no main character, and no real opportunity for heroics.
     
     If you recast Hitler as a guy that was trying to put on a good show, you look at his speeches, you look at his wartime strategy, how carefully staged everything was, the photographs and videos, then I think it clicks. I mean, the war's going poorly and he has someone with a video camera staging a shot, he's in a dress uniform on the balcony of his retreat in the mountains, and he's looking off into the distance and being pensive and he's perfectly framed up. (A video camera was very obtrusive in 1944, so it must have taken some effort to ignore it.)
     
     Augustus's last words were, allegedly, "Acta est fabula. Plaudite." "The play is over. Applaud."
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     I am ultimately probably a futurist at heart because I like applied technology and making life better by re-organizing what we have into more efficient and higher quality versions.

     I see Leftism as a parasite on this, in addition to an unworkable system that makes people go insane, as we see with the democracy/equality zombies staggering around us.

     I find it unhealthy not to revere the ancient ancestors and wisdom of nature.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     I also think we need to embrace relativity and Darwinism.

     No point trying to control the world by defining a false universal absolute standard of fact, morality, and communication.

     Instead, we need to say "this works better for what I am" and select it on that basis instead of trying to justify it through the same "reverse thinking" or rationalization that most people use in social situations.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     In this way, I think I went beyond what society can handle. It is manipulated by social impulses, consumer markets, and votes.

     I do not believe in scapegoats. I do not think the Kings, the Rich, the Jews, the Whites, or Satan did this to us.

     I think humans in groups mislead themselves because they amplify the lowest common denominator, which is our fears, and drive themselves neurotic in the process.

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     @Flick @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @p

     A nihilist declines to believe in the consensual hallucination that there is an absolute, universal, and objective space of facts, morals, values, truths, and communications.

     We believe in esotericism instead, which is that the details of reality reveal themselves to those who are ready. We believe in reality more than any other group, but less than any other group in the symbols, words, and images of it.

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     In America, I think conservatives are "Christian libertarians" who are trying to use religion to replace culture, based on choices made by conservatives in the 1960s.

     This is false and I hate it.

     I agree with ordinary Republicans on most practical matters, but do not think it is wise to try to enforce one standard in the culture wars.

     I recognize abortion is murder but that we cannot control it, like drugs and drink.

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     This places me a bit with the Darwinian Anarcho-Capitalists like Nick Land, Eric Raymond, and Robert Heinlein more than with the usual far-Right.

     I do not want to save everyone from themselves. I want natural selection everywhere killing the oblivious, insane, perverse, criminal, and retarded and pushing us all to evolve to be more beautiful, strong, healthy, long-lived, disease-free, sane, wise, and so on.

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     All of this shit is shocking to me, by the way.

     I just wanted to smoke weed, listen to death metal, and write fiction.

     But I found myself in a postmodern hellworld instead, so like the toilet-scrubber I am at heart, I have tried to clean it up.

     This is what it means to be "furthest Right" in my view: concerned with natural order continuous from the ancient into the far, far future.

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     > But I found myself in a postmodern hellworld
     
     How could fiction compete?
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     I do not expect that most people are going to get this trip, so I try to show it to them through current events.

     I have spent most of my life in intense analysis of what I believe, using methods gleaned from Continental and Greek philosophy, and I can find no fault in it on the main.

     I tried to summarize it here:
     https://www.amerika.org/about

     Thank you for coming to my TED Talk! Sorry for the length, but it is difficult to describe.

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     @p
     d'annunzio definitely created a dramatic arc with the fiume adventure, id give my left testicle to have memoirs from it translated into english.
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     @clayvaulin @Flick @amerika @amerika @sim It's probably much cheaper to hire an Italian.
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     @Flick @amerika @amerika @p @sim speaking of reading this book right before bed, more than once I fell asleep and this really heavy book hit me in the face and woke me up lol
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     @Economic_Hitman @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @p @sim @Flick

     Yes, that Thomas Pynchon. He and DeLillo are worth reading for postmodernists, although William S Burroughs is the godfather of it all.

     IMHO "The Crying of Lot 49" is the way to read Pynchon; all the major ideas come out in their raw form and you can extrapolate from there.

     It is his "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man."

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     @amerika @Flick @amerika @p @sim I first learned about it from this webcomic. I read that it is the longest American novel ever written. It certainly is the most convoluted. It took me literally years to finish (but I only read right before bed, so that stretched it out too)
     
     I can't remember much because I read it like ten years ago, but the coolest concept from it that I still remember was the theory that reversed cause and effect. That an effect could occur before its cause, or something like that. The probability of where V2 rockets would land was the narrative driving that concept. That was just the first part of the 1000+ page book though. After that it has so many complex story lines, stream-of-conscious weird narration, and the references are so obscure that I bought a companion guide book to explain Gravity's Rainbow itself. Like a video game walkthrough, except I read it all without the guide the first time, and haven't reread it with the guide yet lol
     
     https://www.octopuspie.com/comic/044-okay/
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     @amerika @Flick @amerika @sim @p Thomas Pynchon? Author of Gravity's Rainbow?
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     This strikes me as accurate.

     All of the good historians I have read emphasize that Hitler was an artist, and that did not change when he got into politics.

     The "far-Right" is basically an artistic protest vote against the French Revolution, but could never really articulate that well.

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     @p @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @sim @Flick

     Fiction forgot its goal, which was to sing a song of life.

     In that song, we find meaning in our quest to make the postmodern hellworld into something better.

     Futurism kicks in again.

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     Cynical take: the suicidal King Lear style drama is also individualism.

     Who cares about our individual emotions?

     The point is to make things good so life expands in quality not quantity.

     Leaders who forget this are lost.

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     > Who cares about our individual emotions?
     
     Depends on whether or not you're putting on a good show.
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     And the Poisson distribution is the same concept behind the Bell Curve...
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     Interesting take. I know that life has been a heavy theme in my story so it is good to know that I'm doing something right there.
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     I see signaling/drama as an opposite to realism.

     If you are a leader, you either do what is good for your people, or you are caught in personal drama.

     For me, the results alone matter. Then again, I am not very interesting or good at being dramatic.

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