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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 19:35:24 JST 
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 19:56:55 JST 
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@p @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @mint This image has more soul than your typical AI-generated picture. pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 03:32:17 JST
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@lanodan @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @mint Once you have seen enough of the AI-generated images, they acquire a same-ness. That kind of thing doesn't happen with people, I think; people get bored. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: like this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 03:33:41 JST 
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@p @lanodan boredom is a weird feature of intelligent systems to dissuade them from getting stuck in loops, i think. however cruel it is to think you have to teach machines to get bored. pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: and Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: like this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 03:53:30 JST
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@TheMadPirate @lanodan @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @mint
> Non Figurative Abstract Art has no soul at all.
Demonstrably false. Terrible concept borrowed from Hitler. The fact that Jackson Polluck sucks has no bearing on whether all abstract art sucks. Some really good abstact art can evoke a figure without containing it, an image enters your mind but you can't find it when you look at the picture. A flag is just boxes and stripes but that can evoke a historical era from another country. A Dixie Cup can evoke a specific decade. Just noise--if the artist has done a good job creating the noise, because it looks cheesy otherwise--can make people think of VHS or a broken Atari.
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 03:53:31 JST 
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@lanodan @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @mint Non Figurative Abstract Art has no soul at all. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 07:57:38 JST
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@icedquinn @lanodan Boredom is actually a complicated process, if you can believe it.
> however cruel it is
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ins0mniak (ins0mniak@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 07:57:45 JST 
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@p @lanodan @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @mint The future of AI is autogenerated celebrity porno.
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:01:32 JST
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@icedquinn @lanodan I forget which lobe; it detects something familiar, and then inhibits the novelty-seeking behavior. Allegedly, you cut up that lobe in a cat and the cat remains in exploration mode. Anyway, that lobe runs low on glucose, can't push the other lobe down. (I cannot remember which part of whats was mashing the other one down; maybe there's a neurobiochemist or close enough. I think a hippocampus was there, or was at least watching the other two.) Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:04:08 JST
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@p @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @mint Yet the ones in the picture are mass-produced figurines, the sameness could be assumed to also apply. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:09:07 JST
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@p @lanodan reticular activiation system pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:12:03 JST
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@amanda @ins0mniak @anonymous @mint @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @lanodan @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman The StableDiffusion images have started to look the same to me, and in the same way talking to a chatbot two days in a row feels like the same conversation. A person churning out a million anime girls is going to toss some flourishes in or change style gradually or sneak in some visual jokes or throw down their pencil and declare that you can take this job and shove it. An artist has good days and bad days and good moods and bad moods. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Amanda (amanda@pleroma.thezone.host)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:12:04 JST 
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:35:10 JST
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@p @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @lanodan @mint That's probably because people are more prone to experiment with different styles and techniques that what AI prompters are prone to experiment with different prompt settings. pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:38:16 JST
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@TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint No, I don't think so. Wildly different prompts from the same corpus will yield things that are the same in some handful of ways. (AI wouldn't *work* if it didn't, it's an accumulation of biases to jam in the ol' sigmoids.) The drawings are the same the way a conversation with a chatbot is the same. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:48:10 JST
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@lanodan @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @mint Well, two identical things are less boring than two very similar things, aren't they? ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:48:17 JST
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@lanodan @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @mint **Andy Warhol & Martha Minujin Intensify** pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:48:29 JST 
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@TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @lanodan @mint the electronic andy warhol pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:49:15 JST
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@icedquinn @lanodan That one.
(I would not have made a good biologist.)Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:58:39 JST
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@TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint I know people write different prompts. I know you can use different datasets. You are not telling me anything new. Reinterpret the thing I just said in the context of me having already accounted for that. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:58:40 JST
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@p @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @lanodan @mint It all depends on the model used. If you just use the basic model with standard prompts, then yes. they will look all the same. That's why we use custom trained models or LoRAs to generate images that do not look all the same to the run-of-the-mill Stable Diffusion image. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:06:32 JST
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@p @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @lanodan @mint Oh. yeah, I agree on that last sentence. pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:13:02 JST 
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Lots of art is mass produced. It doesn't mean it's not unique, especially where each piece is different than the others. It's the similarity across different pieces that creates fatigue and habituation. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:44:07 JST
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@Humpleupagus @lanodan @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @amanda @mint
> It's the similarity across different pieces that creates fatigue and habituation.
Yes, I think so. That's what I mean when I say "two identical things are less boring than two very similar things".Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and ?? Humpleupagus ?? like this. -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 17:00:58 JST
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Mass production of art has advantages. This way, everyone can own a physical copy of the first Dismember album.pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: and Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: like this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 17:13:15 JST
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@amanda @anonymous @mint @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @TheMadPirate @ins0mniak @p I quite think the definition of art is done for, regardless of the medium used, effectively because it's more aristocratic social status bullshit (as you put "an artist" vs. "someone"), than about things like communication or originality.
Meanwhile AI-stuff being boring is a bit like how smartphones are all the same shit, and we've collectively realized this because we've all seen them not change at all for 10 years.pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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Amanda (amanda@pleroma.thezone.host)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 17:13:17 JST
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Sorry, still doesn't make sense.
Let me get two scenarios to try to understand this:
1 - an artist uses the most basic SD model (the very first public release). What will happen is art. Exactly like pencil and paper. I am 100% sure of this because I did it with my work.
2 - someone pushes a button saying "hey, AI, make a bunch of artistic illustrations please". What happens does not depend on SD version and can be art or not, depending on how it's implemented -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 00:58:28 JST
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@TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint @p
This is the crisis of AI for these people: it's going to be replace hipsters.
If your "art" consists of pasting a bird on photos of Cambodian war dead displayed on a television screen in a herpetic nightclub toilet, then AI is gonna replace you real fast.
"ChatGPT, make some quirky postmodern art that focuses on human self-pity."
* beep *
The hipster, he daid.pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: and Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: like this. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 00:58:29 JST
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@amerika @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @lanodan @mint I think it has more to do with an ideological bias. Believing just because it is completely generated by a human it has "soul" regardless of the objective traits it the art, if it is trash or if the "artist" really cultivated the necessary skill to produce something aesthetically pleasing. Instead, we have the "inclusion" mob claiming that highly skilled illustrators are the same that talent-less gallery art hacks meanwhile AI can generate a 10 times more aesthetically pleasing image than those "gallery artists". -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 00:58:30 JST
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@p @TheMadPirate @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint
It is decorative symbolism; is it art? No transcendent or suspension of disbelief factors.
Andy Warhol had some great interior design ideas.
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:01:05 JST
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@amanda @anonymous @mint @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @lanodan @Zerglingman @TheMadPirate @ins0mniak The question isn't whether it is art or not; all I was saying was that there is a same-ness to it. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:25:31 JST
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:26:04 JST
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:41:34 JST
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@amerika @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint
> It is decorative symbolism;
Well, the flag and the Dixie cup, sure, but the Moire pattern and the last image, those do not symbolize anything. (Well, the last image I can't say for certain but I made the Moire pattern image so I know what I was thinking at the time, and it was because the image was appealing.) -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:51:15 JST
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@TheMadPirate @lanodan @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @mint Yeah, and there's the other matter: it puts a lot of low-grade commercial artists out of business by making what they do cheap.
I mean, I think I've seen enough and it's gotten boring by now, but you think about something like brochures and flyers and things like that. First they were expensive, then printing got cheaper and they were cheap, and then laser printing happened and you could make that stuff in your house, it was accessible and affordable for literally anyone. So the thing about Stable Diffusion is it's like that but for low-grade commercial art. Schools and small businesses and organizations like that now have access to this kind of thing. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:51:16 JST
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@lanodan @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @mint I see the generative AI art, at least in ideological terms, as a rebellion against the mediocrity ( and snobbery ) of talent-less postmodern art hacks that have predated the art world for the last 50 arts. I see it at taking the best of the commercial illustration art essence and putting that again at the spotlight of art, a place that should have never had left.
https://venturebeat.com/ai/ai-is-an-ideological-war-zone/pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 09:10:41 JST
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@p @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint
This is why I like design: it has no meaning except pure aesthetics.
Some artists and authors argue for that in literature and art, but I think it falls short of the full experience, to say the least.
In music, I think too much focus gets placed on the lyrics. The music itself should speak to us, and evoke something, whether psychological or external.pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: likes this. -
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 09:25:36 JST
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@amerika @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint
> The music itself should speak to us,
I think it does, like whether you're trying or not. Anyone, even babies can tell a war march from a lullaby.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 09:39:12 JST
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Dada was more about having things out of place that created a sense of the surreal, so it makes sense that AI illustration would tend down that path.pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: and Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: like this. -
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 09:39:13 JST
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@amerika @PurpCat @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @anonymous @ins0mniak @p @amanda @lanodan @mint Interestingly I'be seen things like of Dada art much on the AI art sites. Most of the art generated is illustration oriented, which I would say it is a form of neo-neoclassicism in terms of art. -
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a7 (a7@miss.mouse.services)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 10:02:57 JST
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 10:03:50 JST
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@a7 @Humpleupagus @lanodan @mint @Zerglingman @ins0mniak @amerika @TheMadPirate @PurpCat @anonymous @amanda I think that's what he's saying. People that are writing focus on the lyrics too much but the lyrics do not matter as much. -
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a7 (a7@miss.mouse.services)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 10:11:44 JST
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@p@freespeechextremist.com @Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @mint@ryona.agency @Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com @ins0mniak@freespeechextremist.com @amerika@freespeechextremist.com @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @anonymous@freespeechextremist.com @amanda@pleroma.thezone.host if thats the point idk what to say, too generalized to feel like thats a correct assessment, I would have to obsessively look into each bands membership and writing process, feel like you cant properly generalize from that direction you can only generalize from the listeners perspective.
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 16:33:56 JST
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It does, but too many people listen to the lyrics. Schopenhauer said music was close to expression of patterns of nerve traffic, and I like that, although I also find a lot of it evocative, although whether that is second hand through mirror neurons I do not know.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 16:34:43 JST
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@p @Humpleupagus @PurpCat @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @amanda @anonymous @ins0mniak @lanodan @mint
This gives rise to an idea... if we can have Drag Queen Story Hour, why not Baby Death Metal Nap Time? heh
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