> Are0h does something stupid because of invisible racism > Someone complains about this action > That person is declared a white supremacist > Impassioned post: "I'm not racist, this has to be a mistake!"
Lefty Masto keeps walking through that guy's distortion field and they expect things to make sense in the Bizarro Universe without having to acknowledge the concept of race-hustling. condeming_white_supremacy_is_racist.jpg
@ins0mniak@PurpCat Because the second some people find a place to chill and hang, someone will notice that this place isn't being exploited and will show up to exploit it, then their opposition will notice that the place is being exploited unopposed and show up to claim their chunk, and then both of them will shout at people saying "I wish none of you had shown up to exploit the place."
@ins0mniak@PurpCat I think I've spammed the other two links a lot, but the last one, "When Nerds Collide" in 2014, that's a really good one. I wish meeejum dot com didn't suck so hard.
> This phenomenon explains much of the backlash from weird nerds against "brogrammers" and "geek feminists" alike. (If you thought the conflict was only between those two groups, or that someone who criticises one group must necessarily be a member of the other, then you haven't been paying close enough attention.) Both groups are latecomers barging in on a cultural space that was once a respite for us, and we don't appreciate either group bringing its cultural conflicts into our space in a way that demands we choose one side or the other.
@p@ins0mniak@PurpCat People are just tired of their spaces being invaded I think. People are completely and totally done with others who won’t either leave or assimilate. If I ever get this way please immediately ban me.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I actually go red in the face now when people invade my spaces, wherever that might be. So sick and tired of it just leave me alone already! Go fight over there or whatever I am not interested!
@anonymous@p@PurpCat The thing that always gets me when I see these street fights go down...is like what do you want? Theres never a specific thing, its just "we mad at this or that...."
Well ok, what the fuck do you want me to do about it?
@ins0mniak@PurpCat@p Since they believe that reality is socially constructed, there is no place for humor or innuendo. EVERYTHING is related to a POWER HIERARCHY for them, specially WORDS. You have to think of them as people who think that they live on a Harry-Potter-esque world, where the words they say somehow "influence reality itself, changing or re-shaping it". That's why they are convinced that labeling someone X automatically makes them X, no matter what actual empirical evidence says.
@TheMadPirate@PurpCat@p Yeah I get that but i think you might be giving them too much credit tbh. I mean its just easier to win an argument if you call someone x or y. Like Oh you dont believe in this policy? youre doing what hitler youth did or whatever.
Its just lazy if anything in my view. You really see that on college campuses....kids alll worked up and away from home for the first time. They want to do something exciting so they go to protests or whatnot and say the most incendiary things because "look at me"
now its annoying af but people should grow out of that at some point...prob is too many people dont. I really dont think most of these people thing very deeply about these various issues, I really think they just llike getting attention and feeling good about themselves.
I legit heard one lady, prob in her 50's, downtown at this blm thing going "well if your a white ally such as myself...."
LIke wow bitch could you be any more fucking smug and looking for validation?
> say the most incendiary things because "look at me"
Yeah, I happened to be near a protest exactly twice. The first time was living in a dorm and they were all chanting "SURVIVORS UNITE, TAKE BACK THE NIGHT" and I had tests to take and I had to sleep and I wanted to go take back the night from them.
The other time was way more recent when I was working in Pasadena. It was a bunch of kids from the art school, it was kinda funny hearing mostly dudes chanting "MY BODY MY CHOICE". 335.png
@p@PurpCat@ins0mniak >all of those are from 2014 or earlier, so people have been tired of this for at least a decade.
It’s an ongoing problem, humans have this incessant need to drag everyone else into their personal bullshit. For whatever reason.
>I will open fire on anyone that makes me do admin shit.
I don’t know what you classify banning under, moderation or administration, but also feel free to block me.
@anonymous@PurpCat@p I feel like if anyone is truly serious about something they care about they either get a real job doing it or thoughtfully discuss it in a way that may sway anothers opinion.
@ins0mniak@PurpCat@p >get a real job doing it
>thoughtfully discuss it in a way that may sway anothers opinion.
If those are the only two options it’s no wonder these people insist on inserting themselves in other’s lives.
@p@PurpCat@TheMadPirate Yeah the usuall protests here are from out of town people that think that taking a bus to DC is some kind of major point.
Like I said no one cares and most people are off to the burbs come 4:30. Like no local goes to the national mall on the weekends unless theyre jogging.
Sometimes local shit goes down but its super obvious...mostly involves people tossing eggs at cops.
@ins0mniak@PurpCat@TheMadPirate@a7 Also that. I haven't played Deus Ex and I haven't watched Junior but I did see Twins so that should count as partial credit for seeing Junior, I think.
@dcc@PurpCat@anonymous@ins0mniak Yeah, I figured it wasn't a media proxy. It seems like it got cut off, maybe because it was slow and the req timed out.
@anonymous@PurpCat@dcc@p Yeah i used to run my own instances but got lazy, p would be the one to ask about the particulars he knows fedi inside and out.
@p@PurpCat@ins0mniak The article makes the point of standing on principle’s sake sometimes being a virtue-signal. I can’t outright disagree.
I often find myself struggling with supporting something I believe in my heart to even it’s most absolute extremes. There can be many reasons for this, and often one I tackle is what implications does it have for freedom. Of course there’s the obvious virtue-signal angle, especially when supporting it would only hurt my position.
Still haven’t figured out how to square this circle.
@ins0mniak@PurpCat@TheMadPirate@p@a7 Well on ps3, i have a ps1 and the disks but no save card :alex_lol: i also plan to finish the rest of the main line games as well.
@anonymous@PurpCat@ins0mniak Well, if you keep going, there's this bit about the mechanics of Tumblr actually turning the place into that kind of environment and then the part that is germane to your remark is a continuation of that part. It's a long read but it's a good read. So you had said,
> humans have this incessant need to drag everyone else into their personal bullshit. For whatever reason.
And then the guy starts to talk about this happening on Tumblr:
> “friends if you are reblogging things that are not about ferguson right now please queue them instead. please pay attention to things that are more important. it’s not the time to talk about fandoms or jokes it’s time to talk about injustices.”
And this is a big reason that Twitter went from "shitty" to "completely intolerable": Twitter decided it was Important and then they started pushing out people that didn't want to engage in whatever the news outlets or advertisers or activist mobs wanted them to engage in. And you've got dipshits like Zeynep Tufekci saying "Once you start sorting an array, you have an ontological problem" while demanding that some ethical board start controlling the process of software engineering because what if injustice.
@ins0mniak@dcc@PurpCat@TheMadPirate@a7 I got the imported version of MGS Integral and it was excellent. I didn't have a PSX but a friend was ditching his to get a Dreamcast and it came with MGSi and a Gameshark mod. That was fun, you ever use one of them?
Basically, you stuck a spring in to make the PSX think the disc tray was closed, and the Gameshark would stop the disc spinning a bit so you'd put in a regular game, the PSX would boot, pass all its checks, and then you'd grab the disk and swap it out quickly for the thing you wanted to play. This was the easiest way to play imports back then.
@dcc@PurpCat@TheMadPirate@a7@ins0mniak Oh, shit, that is a really punishing part of the game. I had a special controller that I only used for that part because the stupid button-mashing bit ruined controllers.
I disagree that he kind of implies that it’s some kind of natural force that is causing all this division, but he quickly course corrects. I do think this is not entirely natural, that forces (whom/whatever they may be) are helping to drive this division.
While money certainly plays a critical role here I don’t think it’s the only factor. Sure, money is important. Yes, media companies like money, and everyone likes attention (which in a lot of cases directly translates into monetary gain). But like he mentions in the article we used to get along generally fine before. At least we could generally agree to not attack someone not directly involved. We can’t even do that anymore. I could probably speculate forever on the why. Perhaps another day.
I could be missing something though because this will be the first time in a long time I’ve read something this long; my ability to read already being severely impaired by sub-par education and a lack of desire to engage in the medium.
>And this is a big reason that Twitter went from “shitty” to “completely intolerable”: Twitter decided it was Important and then they started pushing out people that didn’t want to engage in whatever the news outlets or advertisers or activist mobs wanted them to engage in.
I mean that’s kind of anywhere anymore right?
>demanding that some ethical board start controlling the process of software engineering because what if injustice.
I am getting flashbacks to motherboard/mainboard and master/slave. The most descriptive and accurate words aren’t okay because racism. Not to mention the whole discussion was fucking retarded and gay. Probably fake too.
> I do think this is not entirely natural, that forces (whom/whatever they may be) are helping to drive this division.
Yeah, anything big happens and someone will try to coopt it. Like, he's got these observations about how people would act and you've got Bernays laying a lot of these things out and talking about how to steer them. Like Bernays is the reason for the stereotype of the chain-smoking feminist: he worked for the tobacco companies and women didn't typically smoke so half the market was closed, and he was tasked with getting them to start. His strategy was to get smoking associated with suffrage and it worked more or less and then became a self-perpetuating thing.
> At least we could generally agree to not attack someone not directly involved. We can’t even do that anymore. I could probably speculate forever on the why. Perhaps another day.
The ingroup is the ingroup, the outgroup is an undifferentiated mass of terrible people, so "Liberals get the bullet, too" turns into a communist slogan because although the liberals are also opposed to right-wing policies, they are not part of the communists' ingroup.
> I mean that’s kind of anywhere anymore right?
Yeah. Anywhere that happens and can be sort of centrally enforced, so as long as you don't build a rudder, no one can put their hands on the wheel and move the boat. This is why the mastodongs keep trying to build a centralized authority over the fediverse: they want a rudder. I'm sure most of them don't understand what happens when you build a rudder, but I'm also certain that some of them do.
> I am getting flashbacks to motherboard/mainboard and master/slave.
Same group, yeah, but a different tack: Tufekci was saying that if you learn to sort an array of integers (I'm not exaggerating) without injecting social justice into the curriculum, then you would be hacking out code for the Nazis to sort Jews in no time. (She went on to write some poorly conceived but widely disseminated article in Wired about how freedom of speech should be eliminated because sometimes people use it to advocate for positions she doesn't like, to no one's surprise.)
> The most descriptive and accurate words aren’t okay because racism. Not to mention the whole discussion was fucking retarded and gay. Probably fake too.
Yeah, that tactic actually goes back to the Ada Initiative, and if you read anything about them, even the stuff they wrote about themselves, you'll see where the problem came from. tritone.mp3 perfect_fifth.mp3
@p@anonymous@ins0mniak The first thing that I notice is about campus rape accusations. It's crazy how fast things change but not really. Now the hot shit is getting a sex change and calling people bigots online for not caving, and making up drama over fake suicides and "this store oppressed me."
Tumblr had a lot of things boosting memetics aside from the reblog and inline comment functionality (seen today with quote posts and tweets), like anon asks which could either be used to run crazy blogs/horny blogs, or to shit talk people without them knowing who. I remember fucking with people with anon asks, and they'd be trying to figure out who you were like some prank call victim, good times.
>Every community on Tumblr somehow gets enmeshed with the people most devoted to making that community miserable. The tiny Tumblr rationalist community somehow attracts, concentrates, and constantly reblogs stuff from the even tinier Tumblr community of people who hate rationalists and want them to be miserable (no, well-intentioned and intelligent critics, I am not talking about you).
A lot of it actually was because Tumblr users came from a website also notorious for such a userbase, Livejournal, which was populated by that kind of internet garbage. They were doing callout posts before Tumblr, and the infamous Final Fantasy House post was one such post. I vividly remember now deleted blogs that also would read like ED pages or KF threads on people they really hated (there was one about the infamous furry webcomic Jack and it's creator, along with ones on a major Pokemon community with a pedo problem and the whole PurpleKecleon/GlitchedPuppet saga).
I also remember that there were LJ posts on people that really reeked of such, especially from furries. It all comes down from the idea of "mob justice", and the only thing that scares them off is if you lawyer up (this happened with Vinesauce Vinny).
> A lot of it actually was because Tumblr users came from a website also notorious for such a userbase, Livejournal, which was populated by that kind of internet garbage.
Yep; if you made a Venn diagram with three circles, the circle for "Had a LiveJournal account" encompasses the entirety of the intersection of the circle representing people that used the internet before Twitter existed and the circle containing people that had scars from cutting themselves.
> the infamous Final Fantasy House post was one such post.
Oh, shit, I remember that. "Jenny Nova".
> the infamous furry webcomic Jack
That one I do not remember but I have probably seen memes.
@PurpCat@ins0mniak The “Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution” also helps to illustrate the main point I think @p was trying to make. It’s also a pretty good read so far and really helps to punctuate a lot of what people in this thread are saying.
@anonymous@PurpCat@ins0mniak Yeah, those three essays basically encompass my mental model of how things on the internet play out; see also the reason GameFan folded.
@p@PurpCat@ins0mniak >Tufekci was saying that if you learn to sort an array of integers (I’m not exaggerating) without injecting social justice into the curriculum, then you would be hacking out code for the Nazis to sort Jews in no time.
I mean I kind of figured just giving my rudimentary understanding of coding terms, but it’s still funny to think about.
@p@anonymous@ins0mniak >Yeah. Anywhere that happens and can be sort of centrally enforced, so as long as you don't build a rudder, no one can put their hands on the wheel and move the boat. This is why the mastodongs keep trying to build a centralized authority over the fediverse: they want a rudder. I'm sure most of them don't understand what happens when you build a rudder, but I'm also certain that some of them do.
I mean, look at BlueSky. They love the idea of BlueSky because they don't have to take accountability for their consequences or do any of the heavy moderation lifting. They can click report and the mean person goes away.
Compare this to the fediverse, where all they can do is make some centralized blocklist like thebad.space or FediSeer.com. But then when their own instances or pals end up blocked by many importing these lists, that's when the fun really begins. Which is what OP documented, the kind of people using these fucking tools getting eaten by their own creations.
@p@anonymous@ins0mniak Jack is very infamous because among other things (including lots of rape and ultraviolence drawn on the technical skill level of Chris Chan drawing Sonichu), there was one infamously mocked chapter that was literally "furry columbine".
He got the Tumblr blog nuked after jacking off to a story by one of his underage fans about being molested and went scorched earth on his internet presence for a while. Another gem was when someone found a loveline call from his gf or something talking about being abused by him.
> He got the Tumblr blog nuked after jacking off to a story by one of his underage fans about being molested and went scorched earth on his internet presence for a while.
@p@anonymous@ins0mniak yeah and the funny thing is it's not even the sole furry webcomic that goes to batshit crazy levels of "what in god's name is this" (see Concession, where the creators literally became trannies as the comic devolved into rape and "what the fuck is going on"), it's more how many other webcomic artists are crackhead enough to draw literally "furry columbine".
@p@dcc@PurpCat@ins0mniak@a7 Yeah, i have to search to the latest PSX emulator and look for the CD image. I'm pretty sure It's in the backup DVDs archive.
@PurpCat@anonymous@ins0mniak@p > the kind of people using these fucking tools getting eaten by their own creations. That's the crux of those who deem themselves as "morally superior" without an once of humbleness, they think they are immune to the actions of the Golem they created themselves.
> I would absolutely love no boots on necks > since that is not an option it will be MY boot on my enemy's neck
Also not an option. You have your choice of (a) being unnoticed, (b) being more trouble than you are worth, or (c) getting a boot on your neck. They've clamped down on (a), so unless you are eating squirrels in a national park, you get to be (b) or (c). Good luck.
@Zerglingman@PurpCat@ins0mniak@iska "I want my character to have a handicap that does not actually cause the character to experience any inconveniences."
@iska@ins0mniak@PurpCat It happened to tabletop RPGs, it happened to video games, it happened to comic books, it happened to programming. It turns out that there is a threshold for participation that requires a base level of the tism, but there is zero threshold for criticism. Literally anyone can do it. Just look up demographics and complain about them.