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   Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:17:35 JST Mr. Bacon
   I understand being apprehensive about getting the covid vaccine but reacting to just go full anti-vax is too much.
   
   Why are people like this? why can't we sit in the middle?
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:17:34 JST Nick

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     @Tony because the divided middle is a logical fallacy?

     😂

     JK

     This technology could be awesome. But there are zero long term studies.

     And bioethics surrounding public health seem... troubling.

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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:59:36 JST Nick

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     @Tony I'm fascinated by the notion that the VACCINE itself is transmissible...

     Awesome and spooky simultaneously.

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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:59:37 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Its a weird topic. Some stuff has been SUPER good for humanity, but a lot of it is not...
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     CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:02 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     @Tony This is either cowardice or laziness.
     
     Almost nothing you read or consume as truth should be trusted. When you're told things, you need to do what you can to verify them.
     
     Mathematics textbooks? The proofs are in writing, you can verify them. Physics and Chemistry? There's labs for those things. Psychology? Mostly fucked anyway. Computer Science? Write a program yourself to verify what's claimed. News media? Discard anything that's not an original source. History? Read original sources, distrust "history textbooks."
     
     You have to think for yourself.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:03 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I think this is where faith comes in. I've thought about this before.
     
     If the research cannot be trusted, then nothing we read or consume as truth can be trusted. And, idk how to live with that.
     
     So, I choose to believe that some "experts" can still be trusted.
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     CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:04 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     @Tony If you're measuring these things in terms of risk tolerance, then you're assuming the research can be trusted enough to make such an assessment.
     
     If the research can be trusted, the vaccines are safe and effective. If it cannot be trusted, then there's no reason to believe the vaccines are safe and effective.
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     CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:05 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     @Tony If you're going for a mainstream science backed case, then the standard claim is that everyone should get the vaccine.
     
     If you've stopped trusting mainstream science and government advice, then you should avoid the vaccine.
     
     I don't see what sort of reasoning leads one to the claim you're suggesting.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:05 JST Mr. Bacon

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     For me it's personal risk tolerance.
     
     The risk of me dying from covid is very , very, very low. However, I am not overweight, I exercise frequently, eat pretty good and don't have any preexisting conditions.
     
     If you are obese, have health conditions, don't exercise and have high blood pressure, you should get the vaccine regardless of age.
     
     I think people need to critically asses their own needs.
     
     I also got two vaccines and got covid twice. The vaccines had a longer lasting effects for me. Covid was shit for 12 hours and then I was okay. The vaccine was like a head cold for 36 hours.
     
     I don't trust the government at all, however not all of the research they have done is bad.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:06 JST Mr. Bacon

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     holding that the vaccine makes sense in some cases but not in others.
     
     For example, "high risk people". People with pre existing conditions and poor health who are like 70 should take the vaccine.
     
     People who are under 40 and are in good health don't really have to worry about it and it isn't worth the 1/1000 chance or whatever where you might die.
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     CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 18:25:07 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     @Tony What do you think a "middle" position looks like?
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 01:01:00 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony

     Gotta disagree with ya there @PalePimp as, yes, vaccines demonstrably work.

     This one uses very different technology. As I think we all recognize.

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     What I will say is that we need to move towards full disclosure and and due diligence with regards to even vaccines.

     Which ain't happening any time soon.

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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 01:01:01 JST PalePimp

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     @SAUNDERS @Tony What fascinates me is that pfizer knew of shedding from the beginning (it was in their original documentation). This mRNA tech is not what it seems, and we will pay dearly for it, mark my words.
     
     And no, vaccines don't work. Only cause damage. They're nothing but a 19th century superstition.
     
     poa.st/@PalePimp/posts/Ac1xxK7pAf0hJ9b8Gu
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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 01:34:40 JST PalePimp

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     @SAUNDERS @Tony >Gotta disagree with ya there @PalePimp as, yes, vaccines demonstrably work.
     
     Show me proof, not made up statistics, show me a proper experiment with a control group where the data has not been fudged.
     
     That information exists, go find it.
     
     Read this text, is from the 19th century and pay close attention, same tricks, same bullshit they pulled with Covid, the same bullshit, the same tricks they use since.
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 01:35:47 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony well, I'll fall back to an appeal to authority on this one.

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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 12:51:08 JST PalePimp

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     @Tony @SAUNDERS Yep, I'm sure that is how it works with vaccines.
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 12:51:08 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony

     Bro, I'm only bailing on this convo because I find it boring.

     Reserving the right to change my mind.

     Parting shot: ask any doctor.

     TTYL

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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 12:51:09 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Honestly, the placebo effect is real.
     
     If people “believe in it” it’s likely to provide some benefit. Regardless of what the big bad government is lying to us about 😅
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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 01:24:16 JST PalePimp

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     @SAUNDERS @Tony >>Parting shot: ask any doctor.
     
     Safe and effective, all experts say so, any doctor going against recommended practices loses their license and will not get paid per vaccine administered.
     
     Careful with these shots, you can hit your feet.
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 01:24:16 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony your bold claim is that vaccines don't work.

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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 03:52:09 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony I'm out of this convo then.

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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 03:52:10 JST PalePimp

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     @SAUNDERS @Tony And I maintain that.
     
     The reason I posted that screenshot about COVID-19 vaccines being safe and effective is because the entire medical industry all doctors included believed it and it has been sufficiently proven that it is not the case.
     
     If you go back to that 59 pages pdf book from the 1880's I posted earlier the tricks they use to convince you that vaccine works are the same back then to what they argued with the Covid vaccines.
     
     Again I insist, prove to me that they work. Find a single study that doesn't rely on statistical fudging, there is only one historically which proves they don't work. Find it, then find the data to convince me that they work.
     
     I know it is a hard red pill to swallow when you hear all your life and for generations before that "X is true" specially when told by people you trust like doctors.
     
     And as per trusting the doctors and the medical establishment I want you to research:
     
     A) How washing your hands before practising surgery was accepted as a healthy practice by doctors after 20 years of the death of the person who recommended the practice who was driven out of the medical profession.
     
     ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7240806/
     
     B) what happened to the man who discovered that most ulcers are caused by bacteria and cured with Anti-biotics.
     
     gutscharity.org.uk/2019/10/the-doctor-who-infected-himself-to-solve-a-medical-mystery/
     
     If you have to choose and read only one of both stories read B) PLEASE DO IT WILL ENLIGHTEN YOU.
     
     Nothing works as we have been told to.
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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:01:21 JST Nick

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     @Sui @Tony @PalePimp

     Sigh.

     FWIW my doctor said that he was seeing "interesting" symptoms in the hospital during the early days when things were just starting to shut down.

     I took this to be code for hysteria.

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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:01:22 JST PalePimp

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     @Sui @Tony @SAUNDERS I'm going to violate a rule of mine and disclose a piece of personal information, A close relative of mine is a notable medical authority who insisted for months that me and my family had to get the vaccine yes or yes and I was crazy for not doing it, he treated me like I was retarded after refusing and made me responsible for the inevitable deaths of my family in these exact words.
     
     I trust this relative, but I trust my judgement more, because each time I look into how something works I discover is not how "I" and everybody else was told.
     
     "Most" doctors endorsed the vaccines without questions. Of course not "All" doctors.
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     :suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:01:22 JST :suihead:

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     I think we probably agree more than disagree then. I'm not saying even a majority had the braincells to hesitate/doubt. But some like my GP, she fucking hates big pharma. She's big into "food as medicine" instead, and that's what she constantly advocates. Find a good doc and do what you can to keep them, that industry does still have good faith actors with working brains.
     
     There's also a medical channel on youtube that I still have a lot of respect for, not once did they push vaccines despite focusing content on the coof for months. They're even from california lmao, and they managed to keep pretty neutral. I picked up some great tips from them tbh, they mostly talked about things like ice plunges/natural vitamin D and ventilation.
     
     https://www.youtube.com/@Medcram
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     :suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:01:23 JST :suihead:

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     all doctors included believed it

     This is incorrect, plenty had doubts and quite a number stated as such at the time. They were just drowned out by the sponsored by pfizer bullshit. Big pharma’s corrupt as fuck, but not every doctor is in the profession to fatten their wallets. Some actually have principles, albeit they’re rare.

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     Nick (saunders@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:51:35 JST Nick

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     @PalePimp @Tony @Sui in retrospect of what??

     At the time my understanding of my own doctor's comments on symptoms he was seeing in the hospital was that he wasn't seeing expectedly high death rates, but probably hysterical reactions. Anxiety attacks versus heart attacks, if you will.

     Around the time #fauci was selling that transmission was primarily through touch. As I recall.

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     PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2023 18:51:36 JST PalePimp

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     @SAUNDERS @Sui @Tony In retrospect likely yes.