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   Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 13:00:45 JST Jason Evangelho

   It takes 12,000 plays on Spotify for a band to make the same as you buying one of their T-shirts.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 20:28:49 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • voided existence

     @usernamepending @killyourfm Touring is break-even at best for most bands. Often their only chance at making money is through the merch stands.

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     voided existence (usernamepending@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 20:28:50 JST voided existence

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     @killyourfm would much rather go to shows than buy merch

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 23:52:47 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • thomas bohn

     @tehabe Seems like a pretty sane one to me, considering merch is how most indie/touring bands make any substantial money.

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     thomas bohn (tehabe@norden.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 23:52:48 JST thomas bohn

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     @killyourfm weird comparison

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:23:29 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Duco

     @duco I'm trying to make a point, not be super scientific about it. You're right, it's not exact but I hope the message comes across.

     To scale it down a bit: you could give your favorite band $1 on Bandcamp, or stream a song of theirs about 400 times on Spotify...

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     Duco (duco@norden.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:23:31 JST Duco

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     @killyourfm Sounds like this comparison has a huge error. Like a shirt could be sold between €5 and €50. Probably even more. And how big of that shirt is the share of the band? So to what price correlates the 12.000 Spotify plays?

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:24:48 JST molly in missouri

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     • jorol

     @jorol @killyourfm bandcamp was taken over and will never be a positive force in music again. #RIPBandcamp #FuckSongtradrCorp #CapitalismKills everything good

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:24:48 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • molly in missouri
     • jorol

     @whatzaname @jorol I understand you're upset, but you're speaking in absolutes.

     The fact is that nothing has changed about Bandcamp's payment policies, so despite new ownership this has not affected how bands get paid.

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     jorol (jorol@openbiblio.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:24:50 JST jorol

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     @killyourfm Yes, if you want to support a band, go to their concerts and buy merchandise. Even selling a single album through Bandcamp makes some bands more money than they get from Spotify for a whole month...

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:35:35 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Julien Tournay

     @jto Source? They in fact do pay per stream, an average of $.003.

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     Julien Tournay (jto@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:35:36 JST Julien Tournay

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     @killyourfm Spotify does not pay per stream.

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:38:41 JST molly in missouri

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     • jorol

     @killyourfm @jorol nothing has changed, but they fired half the people in a greedy grab for instant profit, and will empty it out and declare bankruptcy, eliminating that obstacle to fully owning artists and the art they create. #TheEnd

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:38:41 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • molly in missouri
     • jorol

     @whatzaname @jorol Again, your frustration is valid, but you're speaking in angry guesses, not facts.

     As nothing has changed right now, and no changes have been announced, I will continue to put my music on Bandcamp, and support the bands i love there.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:42:33 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Julien Tournay

     @jto Well, maybe focus on the message I'm trying to convey.

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     Julien Tournay (jto@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:42:34 JST Julien Tournay

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     @killyourfm no they don't. They pay based on the % their revenue based on the % of streams an artist represents relative to the total number of streams. Aka if you're 1% of all the streams, you get 1% of whatever Spotify pays to all the artists. Also Spotify does not pay artists directly.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:51:29 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Julien Tournay

     @jto My message is simple, Julien: realize how little revenue bands make when you stream their music compared to buying their physical merch.

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     Julien Tournay (jto@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:51:30 JST Julien Tournay

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     @killyourfm your message is misleading because there are no direct relationship between artist revenues per stream and artist revenues.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:53:06 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Duco

     @duco No offense, but I'm really speaking to people who DO value music -- whether that's bands who want to make more money for their art, or fans who want to support them more.

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     Duco (duco@norden.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:53:07 JST Duco

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     @killyourfm for someone, like me, who doesn't values music much, that sounds like a pretty good deal. I mean 400 plays = 1€ is a good ratio. It's similar on what YouTube pays for views. And producing videos is usually more complicated than producing audio.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:55:00 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • Adam Kaliszewski 🌱

     @kalisz79 You're the real hero.

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     Adam Kaliszewski 🌱 (kalisz79@pol.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 00:55:01 JST Adam Kaliszewski 🌱

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     @killyourfm that's why I have dozens of bands' t-shirts (original/licensed ones ofc) and I rarely leave a show without buying one ;)

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:09 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • NetHandle
     • FrankFrankFrank

     @frankfrankfrank @NetHandle You understand the point. Thanks Frank x3.

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     NetHandle (nethandle@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:19 JST NetHandle

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     @killyourfm ok so let’s math this out, because 12000 sounds like a big number, but we all know journalism isn’t what it used to be, and big numbers get used to bamboozle people.

     The #1 most listened to song on Spotify has 3.8 billion listens. According to Wikipedia.

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spotify_streaming_records

     That’s a big number.
     3800000000. How many tshirts is that? 3.8 billion / 12 thousand = 316666.67. I have no idea what a band tshirt is worth. Last time I was at a concert they were $80 but that seemed high.

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     FrankFrankFrank (frankfrankfrank@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:19 JST FrankFrankFrank

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     • NetHandle

     @killyourfm @NetHandle I mean, I don’t know the op, but I don’t think this is journalism, I think it’s a post on Mastodon. The point vibes with my general sense that creatives and people who value creative work are getting hosed by tech companies. Not that I have a solution. I miss having a cd collection.

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     NetHandle (nethandle@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:36 JST NetHandle

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     @killyourfm
     But that’s just one song that holds the record. What’s the average? Probably significantly lower given the sheer volume of music available.

     Aaaaand I’m having a hard time sourcing accurate statistics. Unfortunate, it seemed like a fun exercise in math.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:36 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • NetHandle

     @NetHandle Yea it does seem like actual, accurate information from the source is in short supply.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:56 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • FrauS

     @FrauS @JenJen HAHAHHHAHHAHA!

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     FrauS (fraus@bildung.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 12:41:58 JST FrauS

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     @killyourfm

     @JenJen

     12000?
     Say no more.

     😵

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     Ben Sizer (kylotan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 20:50:57 JST Ben Sizer

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • voided existence

     @Gargron @usernamepending @killyourfm I wish more people would realise this. Just because there’s a lot of money sloshing around the stadium shows and the sold-out tours, doesn’t mean the typical show makes a profit.

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 09:45:15 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • helena

     @saidsoftly indeed 😔

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     helena (saidsoftly@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 09:45:16 JST helena

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     @killyourfm and that number gets a little higher every month

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     Jason Evangelho (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:41:43 JST Jason Evangelho

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     • eincarsten

     @eincarsten That probably varies wildly depending on the artist.

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     eincarsten (eincarsten@wandzeitung.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:41:45 JST eincarsten

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     @killyourfm how long does it take to get 12.000 plays?