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   hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:35 JST hazlin no plap pirate
   It is okay, if God says something you can't accept. Being friends isn't about synchronizing to 100% agreement.
   
   But, so long as you think you must, know that "want rules reason", and that you'll simply twist His words into something more acceptable.
   
   The Bible isn't inerrant, and, God says and does things that are unacceptable to a conscience brought up in a modern Christian community.
   
   You may not know this, but it is by virtue that satan dominates and enslaves those who wish to do good.
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:23 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     Sad! And, relatable.
     
     In one regard, being weak and evil, is our fault. It is the reason why wisdom is a curse. For wisdom and effort on our part only makes things worse.
     
     But, I am greatly comforted in remembering that Abraham did not earn all that special favor from God. In fact, that by any modern Christian standard, we would say that Abraham was a profound failure in his relationship to God.
     
     God would tell him "Stay in the land I've given you!", but Abraham didn't trust God at all, and would flee to other countries, and even lost his wife to the local king's harem!
     
     But, God had decided to make Abraham an example, of what it looks like when you are God's friend. And so, God didn't punish Abraham for any of these things, for being evil and weak, instead He always fixed the problems and turned the situations around to richly bless Abraham.
     
     And, what is written? That by believing Jesus has redeemed us, we are blessed like Abraham was blessed. I have the blessing of Abraham, that I am no longer cursed by being evil and weak, but uplifted by the hands of my Heavenly Father. It is God's unrestricted loving devotion and faithfulness to us as His friends, That is the Gospel.
     
     Which, is why I am always pushing people to talk to God, because I know it is not God's plan for them to suffer, and I know that our faults, our evilness, and our weakness, isn't enough to keep God from lifting us up and making our life good. It isn't about what you are doing, but about what Jesus has done, and what our Father will do for us!
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     @RMIV @branman65 same friend. I only meant that, this lack, should be far less crushing in Heaven xD
     
     And, that, in addition to the void being less crushing, it will actually be filled by a lovely wife.
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     :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad: (rmiv@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:24 JST :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad:

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     @hazlin @branman65 i hope so.

     i have been… asking the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth to reveal things to me. working out certain notions by verbalizing aloud, addressed to Him. i’m learning that my present alone-ness is really my… hmm i want another word rather than “fault” here. it’s been my despair that has been holding me back. it’s not the World and it isn’t the Deity doing it to me it’s me. thank you friend.

     BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this.
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     :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad: (rmiv@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:25 JST :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad:

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     @hazlin @branman65 >a lot of that may be due to social pressure and our fallen nature.
     
     i want a wife because i like girls and want kids, simple as.
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     :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad: (rmiv@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:26 JST :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad:

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     @hazlin @branman65 perhaps. it seems to me Paul was likely one o’ them fellas never terribly afflicted with much interest in women. allegedly Alexander the Great was of like disposition when it came to the ladies i read an account of a woman having to physically stopping Alexander from going to do something with the bros so she could have sex with him. thank you friend.

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     That could be the case as well! I sort of feel like, we wont have to have a wife and family to feel complete when we are resurrected. That a lot of that may be due to social pressure and our fallen nature.
     
     Still, since the original wife was from before the fall, and God's idea. I expect that I'll have one, in this life and the next.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:27 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin people just need to be better at interpretation tbh. people either read it like a textbook with no previous context or try to find secret knowledge that doesn't exist.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:27 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin like for example, with Matthew 22:30 they assume Jesus outright means that there shall be no marriage or anything resembling it in the New Heavens and New Earth for some reason, that's a BIG example of people reading one passage and not comparing it
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     @branman65 SuperSnekFriend once pointed out to me that, when Adam was lonely, God simply created a wife for him. So, from the beginning of man kind, God thought it was good for us to have a companion!
     
     And, if there need be, God can just create a wife for us xD
     
     Honestly, I think one of the reasons Paul stopped caring about having a wife or family here on the Earth, was because he saw, that people had a better form of a wife and family in Heaven. He could see that he was missing out on nothing, but wasn't allowed to talk about it xD
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:29 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin "Bible is not inerrant" is a statement that is dangerously close to the heresy of liberalism, I know you are not stating that the divine word of God can be wrong, but it sounds like you are.
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     I think the people that attack Christians with "the Bible is wrong!" mean that God is bad.
     
     I've always thought the Bible was hard to really understand. And, that seems to have been proven with time. I can see a LOT more of the truth in the Bible. But, still hear "It is written right here folks!, this isn't my opinion, but what is written in the Bible!" used to promote some error, or to coerce people into some action.
     
     Early on in a small group meeting, I voiced my difficulty in understanding what the truth of the matter was, when reading the Bible. As a response, I was directed to a "football Bible" and a "Picture Bible".
     
     Honestly, if you are to know the truth, then you must be willing to question everything written in the Bible, and to confront God about the truth of the matter on all issues.
     
     Saying the Bible is inerrant, or the pope, or anything else, usually just ends up being a pretext for keeping people from questioning erroneous interpretation or teaching.
     
     So, I am a bit allergic to it, as all these replies can testify too xD
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:30 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin yes everything the Bible says is true (within context), no that doesn't mean that when satan is babbling bs it's true.
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     Sir, saying everything in the Bible is true, literally means that the words of satan are true. That is what the words you are using actually mean.
     
     The English version for what your paragraph is "everything the Bible says is true, except when it isn't true."
     
     
     Sigh, this feels way more combative then the tone I'd like, but I hoped to show that, we have entered the domain of insisting on something illogical.
     
     It isn't even your fault, this is just how Christianity is taught, by making you re-affirm over and over, logical impossibilities.
     
     But, if you are anything like me, you'll feel attacked by how I am pushing back on this matter xD I know I have felt attacked over such things in the past.
     
     Jesus has risen, all the world will soon be made right, but we live in an age where illogical ideas are forced onto men in the name of faith.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:31 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin So you really mean "don't quote out of context"?
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     One of my favorite context tricks is taking this and following it with this.
     
     James 2
     10 Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,”d also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
     
     Hebrews 10
     26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.
     
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     So many times have I heard a message that starts in James to set the context, and then quotes something Paul wrote, inverting its meaning.
     
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     But, more concerning my OP, I didn't actually point to any scripture there and say it was wrong! Instead I just evaluated what Jesus said. And it is quite different than the sorts of things He would say to other people. The thing is, you can get into trouble, even if you stick to the red letters.
     
     Take up your cross and follow me.
     Go and sin no more.
     Be perfect as God is perfect.
     
     Jesus often challenged people's pride. If you take these words at face value, you'll fall into the same trap.
     
     And, many people who came to Jesus, were satisfied by these appeals to their pride. And, they left Jesus. For they were unworthy of receiving anything better.
     
     I find, the only messages I've EVER heard, given on the basis that the scripture is inerrant, where wrong. Because, in the wild, all inerrant means is, "these words I just read, in a modern context, are true and you most accept them".
     
     There is:
     1) What the author meant
     2) What the words mean in your modern understanding of the language
     3) What the truth is from God perspective
     
     In the Bible these are usually, all different. The second* is most often appealed to, the first* is rarely appealed to, and due to the rampant blatant corruption of modern ministers, you can usually only get the third by talking to God.
     
     I wish saying the Bible was inerrant automatically gave everyone the third when they read the scripture. But, history, and personal experience testifies that is a false idea.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:31 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin but when I hear someone say "the Bible is not inerrant" I do not think he means "oh don't quote out of context" or something, though. I assume he means that the Bible is wrong or has error.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:32 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin What do you mean by"the Bible isn't inerrant" when it most certainly is, in fact, inerrant?
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     Genesis 3
     4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. 5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
     
     I mean, I guess you could treat this as inerrant, and live by these words.
     
     The Bible is in fact, full of error. Knowing what is error and what isn't, is very important.
     
     And, furthermore, you don't seem to know why the canon was created. Seems awfully important? For the church had already entered the dark ages when canon was compiled. It was made during a time when theology was crafted as a political weapons... some of those weapons are still used today. They are error.
     
     Sadly, if you think anything written in the Bible is inerrant in all contexts, you will just be exploited by evil people. I literally see this all the time.
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:33 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin Explain yourself
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     @branman65 that is too general, if you have a question, please present it xD
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     Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:16:34 JST Branman65?

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     @hazlin Hazlin what are you talking about. Please don't spout heresy
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     @branman65 Don't worry, I only have the finest, highest quality heresy. It is completely unacceptable to all those who have lost sight of God. Just as Jesus' words were unacceptable to the religious leaders of His day. xD