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   PohlMe (pohlme@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:20 JST PohlMe

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   @SomaliRose @Chronic-Yonic @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel Can be related to suicide rates also? In women it increases after 40 I believe while it is teen males who are more likely to self harm. I am sure causes could be many, addiction is of course the BIG one. All addictions come with mental issues. The financial stability surely other...
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     ARoseByMyName (somalirose@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:20 JST ARoseByMyName

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     @PohlMe @Chronic-Yonic @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel I also think women have it incredibly hard in society. Really hard. Parents frankly, like their daughters less than their sons. They will pay for, help, pick up their sons time after time while telling their daughter to handle life better. Girls do fall into homelessness bc parents are religious freaks or a man is molesting them at home.
     
     Older women lose their lives after men leave them penniless or they run from abuse. I'm not turning women into perpetual victims but I happen to know and have worked with women who have told me stories and yeah, frightening number have been homeless. Normal women.
     
     Plus drug addiction is not always some failure or selfish evil. People went from opioid prescriptions to heroin or street versions easily. Trauma needs to be discussed. But if we do I think we will realize just how traumatized women really are.
     
     Also...suicide is a direct side effect of anti depressants. It is also a side effect of stopping anti depressants and benzodiazapines. We talk about none of that. We just say "oh she was depressed that's why she was on pills for it." But they stick people on pills for anything. Non suicidal people. Then they suddenly become suicidal. But it's wrapped into its own defense bc after all...they were depressed to begin with. So therefore suicide is a possibility. Yikes.
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     Chronic-Yonic :flag_lesbian: (chronic-yonic@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:21 JST Chronic-Yonic :flag_lesbian:

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     @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel Link to the post I made this morning: https://spinster.xyz/@Chronic-Yonic/posts/AazgdOJBBJHsKVMRmq

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     @Chronic-Yonic @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel They are different. The homeless these days. I mean, they are in the majority still addicts or/ and otherwise mentally ill like before, but the police can not touch them. Also, even if they do make a nuisance of themselves, there is nowhere to send them. They used to be forced into treatment if they were addicts and sent into mental hospitals if they were suffering from some mental disease, but there are no mental hospitals or treatment centres which have any available spaces for them even if they agreed to it, but now they actually have to consent. None ever do really. I wonder if some 30 years ago we just let them die in the streets or maybe we had fewer of them, or maybe they kept to specific areas that most ppl rarely were anywhere near, but there are so many of them in centers of even small towns...
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     @PohlMe @Chronic-Yonic @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel I'm fascinated no one has brought up the sex differences. It is younger men who fall into homelessness and much older women. From the 90s back, women kept men who were problems. Kept them in their family home, their marital home, tolerated abuse in every aspect.
     
     Women are leaving/escaping men who don't earn their way, who are abusive or disgusting or drunk or use drugs. When women can't afford a flat on their own, they buddy up with other women. If they can't, they are often homeless in their cars.
     
     The elder women we are seeing now have been placed into homelessness by earning less their entire lives, therefore earning less in social security benefits (usa). The first jobs to go during covid were the jobs women filled. They are the first to be automated. Older women are the first to be fired in favor of younger employees. Children no longer bringing in mothers to their own homes. Medical costs (usa).
     
     So it's important to know there are actually different reasons men and women become homeless.
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     Matron of the ninth circle (grumpyoldnurse@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:22 JST Matron of the ninth circle

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     @Cousin_Isobel Or, people use drugs to self medicate from the trauma of poverty and homelessness?
     
     I think these kinds of social/medical problems are too complex for a one size fits all explanation. Or solution, for that matter.
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     Chronic-Yonic :flag_lesbian: (chronic-yonic@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:22 JST Chronic-Yonic :flag_lesbian:

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     @GrumpyOldNurse @Cousin_Isobel Homelessness to me is a combination of things. Ever since they closed down entire wings and beds in psychiatric institutions, we’ve seen a rise in homeless people. As you say, Nurse, they self medicate and some become violent. This morning I copy/pasted an article on this and seems like the problem will only get worse, more than likely with even more tragic consequences.

     The government has to step in, reinstating the tax brackets that were trimmed down during the Thatcher era (in which only the rich benefitted from), reopening psychiatric beds and care units, investing heavily in social housing.

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     Cousin_Martha_Corey (cousin_isobel@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 11:21:23 JST Cousin_Martha_Corey

     Countering the conservative claim that homelessness is part of the addiction issue.

     I don’t know if he’s right or not. It could be the case that, in West Virginia, addicts are not homeless because they live with relatives. In other words, it could be cultural. However, it could also be the case that lower housing costs allow higher-functioning addicts to stay in their own homes.

     I have no problem with the idea of reducing corporate ownership of houses, because it sounds like it could benefit ordinary people even if it turns out not to be a major factor in homelessness.

     Edit: this is an RFK video. I keep trying to promote Rumble over YouTube, but they’re not quite as good for sharing on social media.

     https://rumble.com/v3qo71y-why-americans-are-homeless.html

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