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   Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 06:28:51 JST Shadowman311
   Your average luddite/unironic Ted K supporter doesn't understand what it would mean if Modern Medicine went away, or if we gave up modern technology in general. That is until their wife dies during childbirth because without modern medicine, that just randomly happens and you really can't do anything about it, and their kids die of strep throat. And they suddenly get diagnosed with cancer that would have been detectable in the early stages if they just had access to a hospital.
   
   The problem with modernity isn't the tech itself, it's who controls it. And anyone saying otherwise couldn't survive in the world they pretend to want to create.
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     Countermeasures (countermeasures@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 04:49:29 JST Countermeasures

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     @Shadowman311 Dread is correct when he observes that advanced technology is part of the White Man's "extended phenotype" -- we need to protect it from being destroyed or subverted by our enemies.
     
     It is true that we have gotten "overextended" technologically, in that many of our tools are based on building blocks that are weak or compromised. The modern smartphone is a good example: the *idea* is sound, but the pieces of the tech stack that make it up are no good. The OS was built by enemies, the hardware was built by enemies, and the network is run by enemies.
     
     The laws of physics allow us to build smartphones that don't have all of these negative attributes, but to do that we have to take a step *backwards* and re-engineer the building blocks. At first glance this looks like Luddism but it isn't.
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     Summertime for Zeon (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 05:59:44 JST Summertime for Zeon

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     @Bunny @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Phone in every pocket: Bad

     Phone in every Kitchen: Good

     Computer in every bedroom: bad

     Computer in every living room: good

     Kinda seems like keeping tech at the family level adds essential levels of structure to keep things from getting out of hand

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     BroDrillard (brodrillard@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 05:59:44 JST BroDrillard

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     Even phone in every pocket can be useful.
     
     What needs to be removed are apps intentionally engineered to be addictive. You can have games without addiction. Possibly even social media, although that's harder.
     
     Don't forget how successful hostile propaganda was before social media became a thing.
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     Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 05:59:45 JST Anime Wong

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     @Shadowman311 Popular opinion is that Ted was a Luddite, but I'm not sure how completely true that is. Ted seemed to be against something that's hard to put to words but easy to observe. We as humans have natural instincts and emotions driven by our environment. What looks best on a spread sheet doesn't always jive well with our emotional health and instincts, which gets ignored with increasing frequency. Society is like a zoo, and while it can provide food and water and medicine and shelter, it's ill equipped to handle the psychological needs of humans it encloses. So humans don't reproduce, they are suicidal, they are depressed, they are lonely, and they hate themselves.
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     Bunny (bunny@comfyboy.club)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 05:59:45 JST Bunny

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     @Elliptica @Shadowman311 It’s more of an anarchist manifesto in that sense. It’s more about a revolt against civilization, not machines. Even Ted said there’s nothing wrong with the telephone, but the society the telephone creates is worse. There may be a core of arguable truth to what he’s saying, and we should keep it in mind going forward when we assume control of society, but the ideas have been picked up and run away with by a gaggle of retards.
     I don’t think Ted would say “technology bad, therefore women should die in childbirth” but a lot of his followers might.