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   Tony Crenshaw's Latte (tonyslatte@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 04:03:43 JST Tony Crenshaw's Latte

   • Sabrina✨

   @ryanhoulihan Now when a conspiracy theorist wants to argue how "Jews control everything," they can simply point to the media coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's incredulous and woeful how one-sided the coverages are.

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     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     We need the UN and The Hague to be far stronger. Both institutions are weak tea.

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     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     Not my opinion or my understanding but ok. I'm not anti-capitalist.

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 04:29:24 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan 👏🏼

     You are either for human rights or not. It’s not a part time job.

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     Negative12DollarBill (negative12dollarbill@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 04:37:06 JST Negative12DollarBill

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan
     Israel has funded Hamas?

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     Pyperkub (pyperkub@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 04:39:58 JST Pyperkub

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan To be sure, Netanyahu (and ALL the Israelis who keep voting for him and Likud) Hamas (and all the Palestinians/Gazans who voted for them) are. They have both chosen this fight instead of supporting the 2-state option. They have both been barrelling towards this for decades now. I don't have any good alternative to the 2-state solution. Does anyone?

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     Bob Thomson (bobthomson70@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 05:00:57 JST Bob Thomson

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan The coverage seems even more devoid of balance than the 9/11 era. I try to think how I’ve never been in the positon of either side there, but it is shocking the level of dehumanising hatred on both sides. The perennial Peter Capaldi Doctor Who clip always comes to mind. So many people condemned to die because a small number of men can’t sit down and agree a way not to. https://youtu.be/BJP9o4BEziI?si=fj1FlzeE6LLs8YNh

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan True. One may ask why the 90% in Gaza allow the Hamas to rule, but in truth what is it they can do? Exterminate everything and still there will be a few terrorists left, and that is enough to restart everything. Like cockroaches.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan But do you believe both sides want peace?

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 05:02:36 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     • Locksmith

     @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan That depends on what you mean by “both sides”. I believe 90-95% of most populations want to live in peace.

     The history and context though mean that those who control power on both sides are incentivized not to.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan The reality here is that, if Israel does nothing, nothing changes in Gaza and Hamas. If Israel does what they are doing, which is razing Gaza to the ground and everyone with it, it also changes nothing with Gaza and Hamas.

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 05:02:37 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     • Locksmith

     @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan Here in the US we have had almost 24/7 coverage since the Oct 7 attacks. I have mostly posted about those in Gaza because the coverage is so unbalanced. There isn’t 24/7 coverage when Israel bulldozes homes and uses the army to displace Palestinians in the West Bank.

     Hamas attacks were horrific.
     Using state power to reneg on agreements and force people off their land is also horrific.

     The only pathway out is peace.

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 05:11:57 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     • Locksmith

     @ryanhoulihan @locksmithprime Furthermore, none of the past context, no matter how horrific, is an international legal excuse to target a group. There’s no “we are angry and don’t know what else to do” exception to international human rights laws.

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     Brian (bgannin@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 05:43:09 JST Brian

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Very fucking this.

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     justicesandwich (justicesandwich@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 06:13:31 JST justicesandwich

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     You prove the point by not acknowledging the situation.

     How can Israel with a population of 9 million Jews possibly outfund the combined Arab wealth of 1.9 billion?

     This is #antisemetism . Do you make jokes about Jew gold also?

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @locksmithprime @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan

     I am careful in general to remember at all times that this region has a history more complex than many are capable of grasping without literally years of study.

     That said, if Gaza gets razed, others will come for revenge, and I, for one, will have trouble giving a shit if the same happens to Israel.

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     costrike (costrike@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 10:04:35 JST costrike

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan yep

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 22:30:58 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     • Locksmith

     @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan nope, YOU typed the words. YOU asked the question. Sorry that won't fly here.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan and that changes what?

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 22:30:58 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan it changes you getting to wash your hands of your biases

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     Locksmith (locksmithprime@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 22:30:59 JST Locksmith

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan Right. Hamas knew all that, this is precisely the reason they attacked. They knew Israel would react as they always do, with extreme aggression, and would be immediately condemned by the international community. This is how it functions there since always. And Israel is very well versed into playing the victim and amplifying when they are in fact the victim. I was raised Jewish, this is a skill learned very early.

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     John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻 (no1lion99@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2023 22:30:59 JST John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

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     • Locksmith

     @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan And yet your first instinct was to blame Palestinian population for “allowing it”?

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan I said "one may ask", not "I". You realize it is one question that comes up. I am more realistic: whether palestinians want it or not, there is little they can do.

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     AndyDearden (andydeardentsa@earthstream.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 23:54:43 JST AndyDearden

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     • Negative12DollarBill

     @ryanhoulihan @negative12dollarbill again that quote does not prove what you are claiming.

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     Honestly Mom (honestlymom@universeodon.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 08:58:32 JST Honestly Mom

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     • We Got One

     @psychictides @ryanhoulihan are you saying Israelites are settlers/colonists? My understanding is that Jews are indigenous people of the land too, which doesn't make killing a lot of people right, but certainly isn't the same storyline of colonialism.

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     We Got One (psychictides@jorts.horse)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 08:58:41 JST We Got One

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Americans don’t see settler-colonialism as unusual because the USA is a settler-colony. Americans think this is fine.

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     Honestly Mom (honestlymom@universeodon.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 08:59:38 JST Honestly Mom

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     @psychictides @ryanhoulihan while I am picking up some strong mockery in your response, I genuinely ask questions to be better able to understand conflicting viewpoints. The reading I have done generally points to this being a much more complex narrative. Here is one example of an article referencing the complexity. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/8/29/brooks-no-stranger-homeland/. If you have an opposing set of evidence that says Jews were never a people belonging to the region, please post sources instead of clown pictures. I respect ideas outside of my own, and this narrative is one I am deeply trying to understand better.

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     We Got One (psychictides@jorts.horse)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 08:59:50 JST We Got One

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     @HonestlyMom @ryanhoulihan

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     Honestly Mom (honestlymom@universeodon.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 09:21:43 JST Honestly Mom

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     @ryanhoulihan @psychictides that's fair. Nobody should be allowed to displace other people from their land with violence. But what if some of them weren't wealthy, & some were refugees hoping to find a place where they were allowed to practice their religion without being killed for it, returning to a place that they prayed to return to for generations because it was their homeland that they were driven off of with violence, and if some already lived there and never left... Do all get categorized in the same bucket? Is it because of the color of their skin? Jewish wealth that exists is in spite of extreme hardship, slavery, discrimination and tragedy. Not every light skin face is the same. I don't believe in taking from others or killing anyone, I just wonder if you have considered that there is complexity to the story. I also wish you a good night. May all children grow in a place where they can find safety.

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     Honestly Mom (honestlymom@universeodon.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 09:57:58 JST Honestly Mom

     • Sabrina✨
     • We Got One

     @ryanhoulihan @psychictides I don't think there should be an ethno/religious state. Although I am half Jewish, I honestly just started learning about it and reading different perspectives and I am trying to understand. It seems like you are more interested in calling me names than having a conversation so we can stop talking now. I am not pro or against a side here, I just was confused about the idea of it being a colonial story since I understood that my ancestors were indigenous to the region. Pro tip, of you want to change people's minds who are open to discussing and learning, don't call names.

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     We Got One (psychictides@jorts.horse)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 10:00:37 JST We Got One

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     @negative12dollarbill @ryanhoulihan Israel literally created HAMAS. This is some basic history.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @locksmithprime @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan One may ask lol.

     Palestine is a nation of mostly children. Most Palestinians aren’t even eligible to vote. And the last time they had an election was 16 years ago. If you had bothered to learn the basic recent history of Palestine before posting agitprop for American colonialism you would know this.

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     @psychictides @ryanhoulihan
     Ouch on behalf of the word "literally".

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @psychictides @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan Because it makes a lot of difference the actual age, right? Of course.

     And "one may ask whether the people from Gaza..." becomes "I hereby state that the people from Gaza *DOES ALLOW* Hamas to rule."
     You are.
     No, you are.
     No, you are.
     No, you are.
     No, you. You. You are.
     This is getting smarter by the minute.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @locksmithprime @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan Up to a certain age? Heh. You can’t even specify the age.

     You said that the people of Gaza “allow Hamas to rule.” This is such a ridiculous statement that yes everyone other than you in this conversation is pointing out what a mendacious person you are.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @psychictides @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan As in being Jewish up to a certain age and then changing one's path?
     Actually, better not to use "one", because it seems this construct is grossly misunderstood here. I wonder whether I had written "people may ask", or "Gertrude would ask", it would have entered minds in a complete different way. At least, when I hear people telling "people say that...", I do not hear an immediate debate attempting to lay the statement to the person saying it, and the whole side information is completely lost in the subsequent shouting match.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @no1lion99 @locksmithprime @ryanhoulihan I want to hear more about how he was “raised Jewish.”

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @ryanhoulihan @psychictides @no1lion99 The point of absurdity we reach.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @ryanhoulihan @psychictides @no1lion99 Now everyone wants to wash their hands and leave. :)

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     • BinarySorcerer

     @BinarySorcerer @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan I did, some 30 years ago. What changed? It was a period in which no rockets were flying around and names were different, but perhaps that was about it.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @locksmithprime @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan it changed allot in 30 Years but the main struggle i guess is still the same.

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @locksmithprime @no1lion99 @ryanhoulihan And yet again i would suggest you visit both sides and make yourself a picture if you didn't yet.

     what perspective do they have there. 70 Years they are living like that. No future, no nothing. Just hope to survive any day. what would you vote?

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     • John [He, Him, His] 🌈👨🏼‍🔬🧬🧫🧪💻

     @ryanhoulihan @locksmithprime @no1lion99 don't get it?