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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 19:48:06 JST Charlie Stross

   Raspberry Pi 5 announced (now with a bunch of improvements, including PCIe 2.0 and support for connecting M.2 accessories including NVMe SSDs): https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/

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     NSKE (nske@ravenation.club)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 19:53:14 JST NSKE

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

     @Uilebheist @cstross you can get a prebuilt mini pc with an SSD & power supply & case with cooling for this price. But I guess having to fashion your own case out of plasticine or whatever means you're a real 'maker'.

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     Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈 (uilebheist@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 19:53:17 JST Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

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     @cstross ... and a higher price than an Intel NUC with better specs.
     They are attempting to make themselves irrelevant.

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     Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈 (uilebheist@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 20:07:02 JST Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

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     • mhd

     @cstross @mhd About $100-$120 but includes M2 SSD, PSU and case. If you add the cost of that to a $80 RPi5, you will easily exceed the price.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 20:07:03 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

     @mhd @Uilebheist Cheapest I NUC remember seeing was about $120-150? (Anyway, you need to price in a case and storage with the RPi5.)

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     mhd (mhd@tilde.zone)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 20:07:04 JST mhd

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

     @Uilebheist @cstross I thought Intel discontinued NUCs, but before that, didn't they cost 10x as much as $80?

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     ajlanes (ajlanes@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 20:40:22 JST ajlanes

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE
     @goatsarah @nske @Uilebheist @cstross Yep, if you actually want a PC, buy a PC. The ease of connecting it to random shit is what makes the Pi special, and as a bonus you can use it for some of the things you might have used a PC for anyway.
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     Roche Limit (rochelimit@tilde.zone)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 20:51:50 JST Roche Limit

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah
     That's getting into desktop replacement territory, for £60. Shiny, indeed.

     :( But I already have a rarely used spare Pi4. Like Charlie, ... must ... resist ...
     @cstross

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     YurkshireLad (yurkshirelad@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 21:17:45 JST YurkshireLad

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     @cstross I would love to get one but I’m not sure the value is there for me. By the time I add a case and an SSD, I’m probably better off getting a tiny pc. We’ll see.

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     YurkshireLad (yurkshirelad@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 00:08:37 JST YurkshireLad

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @cstross probably mostly to run as a small server, not sure exactly what yet.

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:37:05 JST mathew

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE

     @Uilebheist @cstross @nske It’s not so much that they employed him, it’s that they were proud of it, went after their own customers when called out, and remain unapologetic.

     Sure, you can’t boycott everybody, but in cases there are less offensive alternatives — and in this case there seem to be plenty — I still think boycotts are plausible and effective.

     I mean, your argument is the one a lot of people will use to stay on Xitter.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:37:06 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE

     @mathew @nske @Uilebheist That article is nearly a year old.

     (Yes, they handled the spy cop mess abysmally. But if I boycotted every company that employed an ex-cop or someone equally dubious I'd never be able to buy *anything* because that's how our world is structured these days.)

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:37:07 JST mathew

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE

     @nske @cstross @Uilebheist Optimized for cops too apparently.

     https://petapixel.com/2022/12/09/raspberry-pi-under-fire-by-creators-who-are-upset-it-hired-a-former-cop/

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:37:09 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE

     @nske @Uilebheist You're missing out on the SDIO port. But yes, the RPi is optimized for hobbyists/tinkers/learners, not productivity.

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 22:03:43 JST mathew

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     • Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈
     • NSKE

     @goatsarah @Uilebheist @nske @cstross Right, they’re all made in China, so that’s not a plausible decision criterion. But you can include other ethical concerns in your decision.

     The argument that if you can’t be morally perfect you might as well not try at all, well, I see that as morally bankrupt.