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   :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:25:08 JST :umu: :umu:
   @atlrvrse I still remember when people were calling Google "Corporation of Good" and Microsoft "Corporation of Evil". Apparently, nobody did on western Internet, but it was common in post-USSR countries.
   
   And look how that turned out for Google.
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     @a1ba @usernameswift @atlrvrse Yeah there was a very broad perception among the technically literate portion of general public when I was younger that Google were the scrappy underdog freedom fighter types while Microsoft was the irredeemable pure evil who seeked to enclose the commons of the web and Unix to achieve total vertical integration and control over the industry. Now of course, Google has coopted the web and Unix and used it to do things 90s Microsoft could only dream of.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:25:06 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @usernameswift @atlrvrse I think it was half ironic because of that famous "don't be evil" line, that Google removed years ago.
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     UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace: (usernameswift@pleromer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:25:07 JST UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:

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     I assumed that after the fall of the USSR that people would embrace capitalism, but I did not expect "Corporation of Good" levels of embracing capitalism
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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @a1ba @atlrvrse @usernameswift That being said, to get back to what OP is saying, Valve is in point of fact a much more benign monopoly than Google and will remain so for the indefinite future thanks to the fact that Valve isn't a publicly traded company and thus doesn't have to answer to shareholders or other such parasites.
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     @mischievoustomato @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba That day won't come for as long as GabeN is still alive.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:34:30 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @allison @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba the day Valve goes public is the day that the sky turns black
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     • Johnny Peligro
     @mischievoustomato @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba I doubt most of his appointed successors are too keen on it either. Especially since all they have to do is look at the clownshow that is Epic to see how it would end up (and that's one of the *good* endings mind you)
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:35:57 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @allison @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba Gaben is not immortal, I'm afraid
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:36:52 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @allison @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba we'll see how it goes. I'd rather be pessimistic, makes it easier to deal with disappointments.
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     NotSludgeBomb (notsludgebomb@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:36:58 JST NotSludgeBomb

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     @a1ba @usernameswift @atlrvrse and of course, microsofts slogan, “be evil.” /j
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:43:46 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @usernameswift @atlrvrse Reminds me that some people in France were saying "Google is your friend" («Google est ton ami») rather seriously ~10 years ago about the search engine service and often thrown in a RTFM style.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:47:07 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @a1ba @usernameswift @atlrvrse Yeah, I think English is going to be stuck with this one for a while.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:47:08 JST :umu: :umu:

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @lanodan @usernameswift @atlrvrse "to google" is still a word that means to search something on the Web.
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     @lanodan @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba Might be kind of embarrassing for all kinds of very different reasons, but at one point I actually dreamed of getting into Google because I really believed in them and what they stated their mission was.
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     :archlinux: (lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:50:51 JST :archlinux:

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @allison @a1ba @atlrvrse @usernameswift Valve got involved with Linux in the first place because of Microsoft trying to pull a walled garden stunt with UWP. Even if Valve has ulterior motives, this is a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario. And I hate Microsoft a lot more
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:52:31 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @lewdthewides @a1ba @atlrvrse @usernameswift Agreed. Valve just wants me to buy games from their store while Microsoft (if they have the ability given to them) wishes to control my entire digital footprint. I still use some Microsoft services out of expediency and/or because they make for easily accessible controlled opposition, but Linux is one thing I absolutely will not budge on for better or worse.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:53:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @usernameswift @atlrvrse At least French got rid of it rather quickly, probably because turning "Google" into a verb ("Googlé") is just ugly sounding to our ears.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:53:24 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @lanodan @usernameswift @atlrvrse and Russian too.
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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @a1ba @usernameswift @lanodan @atlrvrse Yeah, the engineering culture of the 2000s there is pretty much completely extinct, and it started showing signs of decline even before the IPO in mid-2004 (see the sacking of Brian Reid)
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:53:30 JST :umu: :umu:

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @allison @usernameswift @lanodan @atlrvrse I believe that only literal monkeys work for Google nowadays, by looking at Android and Chrome code quality, not to mention Google's proprietary products.
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     :archlinux: (lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:59:50 JST :archlinux:

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     @mischievoustomato @allison @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba Valve actually commits useful stuff into Mesa and the kernel. The only time you ever see Microsoft "help" is when they need to upstream something for WSL for completely not EEE reasons
     
     https://www.phoronix.com/news/Valve-Upstream-Everything-OSS
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:59:51 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • UsernameSwift ☭ :verifiedaroace:
     @lewdthewides @allison @usernameswift @atlrvrse @a1ba it's a symbiotic relationship. If it weren't for Valve linux would be far less developed for desktop/gaming stuff
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     • Johnny Peligro
     @lewdthewides @mischievoustomato @a1ba @atlrvrse @usernameswift They also do a lot of UX/bug testing and monetary support for KDE, which by proxy means that they're one of the primary driving forces making Wayland actually fully usable and fleshed out on the desktop and elsewhere.