@maija@p@meso there was a polish grocer who carried them when I lived in the city and it's honestly one of the things I miss most about being out there
@maija@meso I don't know the difference between those two things. I figure there is a place I can go in Eastern Europe where not knowing the difference gets me enemies.
@maija@p@meso I almost entirely subsist off these and have for the past decade and a bit. To quote eminent public health authority @sjw, "how the fuck are you still alive?"
@maija@sjw@p@meso I've never had actual fish in my life, parents have very strong hangups around that due to being true believers for the mercury in vaccines causes autism canard.
@Zerglingman@justnormalkorean@maija@meso Yeah, I don't feel the "cute aggression" thing, I just don't think those characters are cute to begin with and "cute" gets boring really fast.
@justnormalkorean@maija@Zerglingman@meso Watching teenage girls try their best at doing an after-school activity and talking about their feelings in voiceover while staring at the ceiling is the most boring shit I could imagine. I'd rather watch something good: rallyc4.gif
@meso@maija There were like, two seasons and a movie and I think an OVA. I don't know, I watched two episodes and decided it was K-On and I stopped. peopletank.gif
@maija@sjw@p@meso it's just low-key chill, has great atmosphere, everything I could want out of a city in terms of amenities, IRL scenes are really strong, and despite the obvious decay and hardship it is broadly run by sane people who aren't blind to the world around them, thus it basically has nowhere to go but up compared to the rest of burgerstan which is too invested in virtue signalling and obscurantist technocratic nonsense to do anything but rot
@maija@sjw@p@meso Yeah I've heard good things about Seattle, but the PNW (speaking as someone who was born there and spent most of their formative pre-internet years there) is broadly speaking a dumpster fire and I'm not a good cultural fit *at all*.
@allison@sjw@p@meso haven't been to many but but my local cities, seattle and tacoma, are pretty nice. seattles expensive tho, tacoma is much more affordable because its used to be a massive shithole now its only a little shit. also omaha was weirdly really fucking great. generally id say the best american cities are stilll worse than cities abroad though
> the best american cities are stilll worse than cities abroad though
Anywhere's like that if you go to the tourist hole. Like, I'd hate LA if all I saw was Hollywood and West LA, and that region is the containment zone for transplants and tourists. I think it's impossible to dislike San Diego. Chicago was great, but New York and SF were the worst places I've been, I'd end up in jail if I had to stay in either of those two places for long.
@justnormalkorean@maija@Zerglingman@meso It was not a literal "we must not have spoken", it was an expression. "Have me met?" or "You must be new around here" or "We must not have spoken before."
@justnormalkorean@maija@Zerglingman@meso Ha, we must not have spoken before: I don't really give a damn about the huwhite race and white nationalists strike me as neurotic whiners.
@allison@sjw@p@meso idk its pretty cozy compared to most the u.s., especially being in a rare state where poor people ACTUALLLY GET SOME TOLERABLE WELFARE have you tried not being a cityslicker?
@p@sjw@allison@meso never been east of nebraska i woulddn't know those I hated la, been in quite a few areas there, visited a friend in one of the nicest areas. also outskirts hollywood too. its all shit i have to say though, in hollywood on that main road in like the middle, the focal point, this guy was standing on the sidewalk selling drugs, showing off product and shit and people were actually just walking up and buying it, broad daylight, cops didn't do shit. cali's insane i guess vancouver i also saw broad daylight drug shit but that's properly decriminalized and doesn't have the same shithole vibe
@maija@sjw@p@meso Yeah I can definitely see the positives if you're inclined to it. Personally, I'm an invalid and cities are just way easier for coping with that.
@allison@maija@meso@sjw Sensible people, also there are cows. Food is decent, people are decent, there are fireflies. I'd like to spend more time there.
@meso@Zerglingman@p@justnormalkorean@meso no they're fucking not asians do not look like that they dont have that same skin color usually they're drawn to resemble cats
@maija@allison@meso@sjw I don't know what made you think that the rich parts would be the enjoyable areas of any town. That kind of place is unwelcoming by design unless you live there.
@p@sjw@allison@meso i wasnt expecting the cops to do anything just found it interesting no ive been to more areas, i forget where the friend was but its like some rich part idk
> been in quite a few areas there, visited a friend in one of the nicest areas.
Yeah, I don't know what areas you mean. People tend to think Hollywood and West LA is the entire city. People from out of town think Santa Monica's nice, Santa Monica's as bad as WeHo.
> cops didn't do shit.
LA has the highest ratio of humans to cops in the country. Cops don't tend to hassle you unless you're in the honkey zones.
@maija@allison@meso@sjw Staying there is not living there, wherever "there" is; again, you haven't said which area. It's like someone saying they hate Chinese food and they turn out to have only had the SF-Canto style food. Having been to a lot of cities, I can say that the "rich part" is usually not the nice part, and it's definitely the case in LA. People that see nothing wrong with telling me that my home is a shithole tend to be oblivious in general but they also don't seem to venture outside the containment zone. Fine by me if they leave with a bad impression: it's already too crowded here anyway. It's a perfectly reasonable reaction to bristle if someone refers to your birthplace as a shithole twice.
At any rate, it's a very big place and it changes pretty rapidly if you stay on a street. Little Tokyo's not anything like WeHo but they are right next to each other on the map. los_angeles_annotated.png
@maija@allison@meso@sjw It's pretty easy to miss things. There are a lot of weird zones, like I didn't know Thai Town existed until a friend took me there because there was a restaurant owned by a friend of his.
@maija@Zerglingman@justnormalkorean@meso@meso It's really cheap if you get it at the right time of year. There are plenty of backpacker hotels. I was totally broke the first time I went.
@p@meso@meso@justnormalkorean@maija >ridiculously cheap ? Like 1kY for a mid-sized lunch? That doesn't seem cheap to me. But then that's partly due to AUD being like $1.6 per 100Y.
I think 1000 yen gets you a pretty big lunch. You can't go by fast food prices, that's actually more. Like, for some reason, pizza costs twice as much there as here, Starbucks did too. But the food at :7eleven: is edible and cheap (~200 yen for a giant spicy chicken rice ball), little restaurants you can get a pretty decent size plate of curry rice or soba for 500, tack on gyoza for another 200.
@maija@Zerglingman@justnormalkorean@meso@meso You gotta get a sense of adventure. Jump in a foreign city, leave your phone in your room, get lost, figure it out. What's the worst that could happen?
(Please note, this advice applies to Tokyo, not Tijuana. Tijuana's fun, too, but you really don't wanna take a wrong turn and end up outside the tourist-friendly area.)
@p@Zerglingman@meso@justnormalkorean@meso i've wanted too for a while, one of those really cool places to visit also it just seems so developed it kinda hurts my brain. the two most "developed" feeling places to me i've been would be vancouver and estonia, but and those impress the fuck out of me. this is like a whole other level though its so fucking big
> If you are a traditional southern teetotaler, then yeah, this is entirely reasonable.
That is not a reasonable thing to be, and even they can eat tacos and soba and gyoza and osso bucco and fusilli and Italian sausages and salami.
> disliking foreign food and beer is normal.
I'd say teetotalers are a really small minority down there, but if disliking foreign food were normal, Italy wouldn't even have tomatoes, Europe wouldn't have potatoes, those are New World foods. Europe got to the new world trying to find a way to purchase pepper to begin with.
@animeirl@maija@sjw@allison@meso That is impossible. To dislike San Diego, you'd have to dislike Italian food, Japanese food, tacos, *and* beer. You'd have to dislike that none of the beaches make you leash your dog. You'd have to be upset that nobody hassles you. I actually smoked less while I was there. I don't think I'd been that relaxed in forever. You'd have to hate sunshine and puppies to hate that place.
Unless you mean the "Soviet brutalism but reimagined by Ikea" region where all the cube buildings are. Was not a fan.
It is the most reasonable thing to be if you were born in the South as a man.
>even they can eat
I mean, "can" and "likes to" are different things, right? Traditional men like eating the food typical of the place they came from, that's just normal.
"I like the food Mom/Grandma cooked and hate beer." That's normal. It's doubly normal if you're kinda traditional. If Mom/Grandma cooked southern-style food, then that means you're gonna like southern-style food.
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@allison@animeirl@maija@meso@sjw "Normal" isn't subjective, it's quantifiable. People treat "not normal" as somehow bad and they want to argue when you say something is not normal but "normal" isn't subjective, it's not something you can argue. As my family was mostly teeotalers and my aunt married a teetotaling Southern Gentleman, and I lived in the Deep South a few years, I can say that both teetotaling and a strange aversion to unusual foods is not normal, or I would have met someone like that by now. It is normal to like the food you grew up with, but it is not normal to refuse to eat food you did not grow up with: I've met nobody like this past a certain age. It is not normal to be a teetotaler. The maximum size of the intersection of two sets is going to be, at most, the size of the smaller of the two sets: less normal.
There also seems, ironically, to be a new definition of the word "traditional". I've only heard people on the internet speak of tradition that way, it seems to be a modern affectation, a collection of odd positions people use to signify a mindset. It's got to be both unusual and slightly absurd or it wouldn't be useful as a signal, so none of the trad-whatever is "normal" in any sense.
I think you are possibly grouping them together. Some fat dude in drag singing 70s songs at a gay bar is not bothering anyone. But the person grouping people together inappropriately is at fault, not the guy with the falsies singing that his boots were made for walking or that he will survive.
> and they're fucking repulsive disgusting sex pest made for tv scapegoat perverts
Well, some of them, sure, but then you've got that trans person that was waggling an erection at the Wi Spa here. You will get people that abuse any type of protected status to shield themselves from criticism, it's just the nature of it. You get Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black or Elizabeth Warren using "high cheekbones" to claim she's a native to justify cushy appointments at the university, and likewise a pedophile will say he's trans in order to enter a place where little girls bathe so that he can show them his dick.
It's impossible to have a rule that isn't exploited: if there is a benefit to self-identifying as something, there will, 100% of the time, be someone that will take advantage of it. Unlike race where Dolezal's white-ass parents being surprised to find out that their daughter is black and is the president of a chapter of the NAACP or Warren taking a DNA test that demonstrates that she's whiter than the vast majority of whites, there's nothing objectively verifiable about identifying as trans, and nobody's gonna fund "truscum"/"medicalist" research that might produce a heuristic. Because it's completely self-identified, there will be people exploiting this as long as it conveys any sort of benefit that they might want and be willing to make the tradeoff to get.
I think, you know, people ought to be free to do whatever they want with their own bodies, but this kind of thing is exactly the reason that it's a bad idea to produce a protected class of people, and the harder some group ties itself to maintaining that protected status, the more people are going to tie the abuses of that status to everyone in the group. I'm not saying it's moral/immoral or correct/incorrect for them to do so, but I am saying they'll do so.
@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@sjw@allison@animeirl@meso > But the person grouping people together inappropriately is at fault, not the guy with the falsies singing that his boots were made for walking or that he will survive. i thik thats a lot of people to where it becomes an issue in public perception. obviously the drag queen is doing nothing wrong in this scenario but it's still arising from them to an extent i dont like em. sure its not completely logical but thats how i feel.
> but this kind of thing is exactly the reason that it's a bad idea to produce a protected class of people, and the harder some group ties itself to maintaining that protected status, the more people are going to tie the abuses of that status to everyone in the group. definitely agree here though, fuck that bs
Not even remotely, no. You find a person that doesn't like sushi, you find a person that thinks Thai food is too spicy or English food is bland, but near-zero people that dislike all foreign food. I'd say it's more unusual than vegetarianism.
> but it is well within normalcy to be a teetotaler.
Having spent some years as one myself, I'm acutely aware that it's very unusual.
> Aversion to alcohol is encouraged in western religions - it's normal.
Islam and a handful of American Protestant strains. Catholic monks *make* beer. Paul wrote to Timothy telling him calling complete abstention excessive and recommending he have a bit of wine as an analgesic for his stomach troubles.
Even if it were generally prohibited, though, the general prohibition on premarital sex is more commonly ignored than followed. The Bible takes pains on multiple occasions to point out that it's very rare for someone to follow its tenets.
@p@sjw@maija@allison@animeirl@meso >It is normal to like the food you grew up with, but it is not normal to refuse to eat food you did not grow up with
I agree. I wasn't talking about hard refusal to eat food you didn't grow up with. I think it's normal to like the food you grew up with, it's normal to dislike foreign food, and that's what I thought we were talking about.
>It is not normal to be a teetotaler.
I disagree - it isn't the most common behavior, but it is well within normalcy to be a teetotaler. Aversion to alcohol is encouraged in western religions - it's normal.
I will say in the context of this thread that I personally like Mexican and Italian food - but I would not find it abnormal to dislike the list of foods p mentioned above.