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   Ian Coldwater 📦💥 (ian@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 01:44:45 JST Ian Coldwater 📦💥

   I am feverish in bed post-vaccine, please tell me a cool fact about something

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     Opalescent (opal@ioc.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 02:10:17 JST Opalescent

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     @ian

     8675309 (as in, Jenny's number from the Tommy Tutone song) is a prime number. What's more, it's the bottom half of a twin prime pair: add 2, and you get 8675311, which is ALSO prime.

     If you're writing software that implements number-theoretic algorithms, it can be problematic to test it using small primes like 7 or 11, because small primes tend to have a lot of weird properties tend to trigger exceptions and edge cases. Having a pair of easy-to-remember, "big enough" prime numbers like the Jenny primes is really useful.

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     Robbie Coleman :verified: (erraggy@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 03:39:52 JST Robbie Coleman :verified:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

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     @ian
     Light literally has no time [except] the present. 🤯

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:33:23 JST feld

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     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     > each star in the observable universe could have it's own unique IPv6 address pool assigned to it that's a million times larger than the entire IPv4 address space
     
     except we'd never allow this because the global routing tables would be so huge and inefficient. That's why they don't open it up so everyone can request an allocation for free.
     
     Most of the IPv6 promises turned out to be lies
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     Mallory's Musings & Mischief (malcircuit@thingy.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:33:24 JST Mallory's Musings & Mischief

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     @ian The IPv6 address space is so large that each star in the observable universe could have it's own unique IPv6 address pool assigned to it that's a million times larger than the entire IPv4 address space

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     Mallory's Musings & Mischief (malcircuit@thingy.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:33:26 JST Mallory's Musings & Mischief

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     @ian The Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) can detect a change in the distance between its mirrors that is 1000 times smaller that the width of a proton

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     Robbie Coleman :verified: (erraggy@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:43:42 JST Robbie Coleman :verified:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

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     @ian
     LOL. Reminds me of my childhood when I would lay awake in bed pondering the vastness of the universe and losing my breath.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:53:13 JST feld

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     The address allocations are not grouped geographically in the world today or in this scenario -- via some 3D space coordinates -- so you cannot get around this problem.
     
     You don't know which direction any address is so you need a table holding every allocation and the next best hop for it.
     
     When a company buys a huge allocation and resells it to customers they only have to announce that one huge allocation and they handle the rest internally.
     
     When everyone gets an allocation they all have to be announced from wherever they may exist on the planet, or in space.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 04:53:14 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     > except we'd never allow this because the global routing tables would be so huge and inefficient.
     
     this sounds like a cop-out
     
     some inefficiency is to be expected, but globally the only reason that you'd need such tables is if there was no redundancy, which to describe the interplanetary internet less and less with time
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:09:06 JST feld

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     No routers with a full routing table exist? That's somehow going to work? Even DHT would be ruled out. How do you route traffic without something having a full routing table?
     
     So if routers only know about some addresses how do you route your traffic? on a prayer? Everyone just broadcasting everything everywhere all the time?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:09:07 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     > You don't know which direction any address is so you need a table holding every allocation and the next best hop for it.
     
     at one point everyone on the internet had a table of domain names, stored locally, too
     
     we solved that problem
     
     such tables are a stopgap, a stopgap that survived because the internet isn't big enough to justify building something to replace it
     
     spanning trees are part of the way out, but the full way out hasn't been fully hashed out yet
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:20:31 JST feld

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     If you have a better solution than BGP that would be trivially implemented by everyone and has a net benefit for the global internet I would like to hear more about this designs. Nobody's innovating in the core routing protocol space that I've noticed anyway
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:20:32 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • Mallory's Musings & Mischief
     > How do you route traffic without something having a full routing table?
     
     depends what kind of traffic in terms of how it has to be handled imho.
     
     Bloom filters can do a lot of heavy lifting that they aren't, currently- ie there's probablistic middle ground between 'broadcasting everything everywhere all the time' and where we are right now
     
     generally: handshakes between different parts of the network to re-define spanning trees that are triggered by unusual traffic is likely too imho
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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:22:27 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @ian OK, I’ll chime in:

     Most writing systems either evolve over generations, or are created by expert linguists.

     But Cherokee’s was invented by one person, Sequoyah, who not only was not a linguist, but never went to school and never learned to read or write.

     He saw English-language books, and despite not speaking English, understood the general principle, and thought, “I can do that for my language!”

     He spent 12 years developing his writing system, and it is still the standard today.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:26:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @ian
     In _Languages of the World_, Kenneth Katzner remarks that the creation of a writing system that suits its language so well by someone with no linguistic training at all “must surely rank as one of the most impressive intellectual feats achieved by a single person.”

     More:
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_syllabary

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoyah#Creation

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     Alexandra Magin 🏳️‍🌈 (recursive@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 05:45:16 JST Alexandra Magin 🏳️‍🌈

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     @inthehands @ian I think an awesome thing about this is that he basically tried some of the major historical approaches, discarded them as impractical and kept trying.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:15:28 JST Paul Cantrell

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     If we’re going to be pedantic like that, then read the OP as “he had never learned to read or write •prior to inventing a writing system•.” (Though as we often say to my 9yo: is this a useful correction?)

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     @bike (bike@toot.bike)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:15:30 JST @bike

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands I'm confused. He did learn to write, though, didn't he? In Cherokee? I mean if he invented an entire writing system?

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     Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀ (mishavanmollusq@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:17:25 JST Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian rumored to be one of my mom’s ancestors.
     Could be …he did father a lot of children in his wandering
     Inherited this from her when she died

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:17:25 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

     @MishaVanMollusq @ian Oh, cool! There certainly are worse things to have in one’s family history!

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:17:32 JST gnutelephony

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian O'siyo oginalii, Sequoyah also travelled widely consulting with elders from many dispersed Cherokee communities, including those already in the far west (Cherokee City California, Cherokees then already in Idaho, Cherokees who had fled to Mexico, etc). This is also why while the population became widely dispersed, especially after Indian removal, the language did not diverge much even in these very distant and otherwise often vert isolated communities.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:24:35 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Daniel Johnson

     @ossobuffo @ian Ha, wow, I can only imagine what that undertaking involves! Though kerning Cherokee is probably home base kind of stuff for a mind that can handle notating in Lilypond. 😜

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     Daniel Johnson (ossobuffo@nc.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 11:24:36 JST Daniel Johnson

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian I’ve designed several fonts that include the Syllabary. Let me tell you, kerning is a big challenge. There are very many overhangs to take into account.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 12:00:22 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

     @MishaVanMollusq @ian
     Well, a beautiful thing about family lore is that the telling is at least half of what matters, and things don’t need to meet academic standards of rigorous historical verification to become a part of the family fabric.

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     Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀ (mishavanmollusq@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 12:00:23 JST Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian unconfirmed .
     If not a genetic ancestor then defintely one of spirit

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 12:55:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

     @MishaVanMollusq @ian Well see already your family history is badass

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     Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀ (mishavanmollusq@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 12:55:43 JST Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian this came up when she was doing the family genealogies, and the clue was from a local member of AIM

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     winter storm advisory abby (vapaad@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:44:58 JST winter storm advisory abby

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     @ian while it's impossible to know the true number, eradicating smallpox using vaccines has probably saved 150-200 million lives since 1980.

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     Boba Yaga (bobayaga@blahaj.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:47:04 JST Boba Yaga

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     @ian Former Beatles drummer Pete Best once released an album called "Best of the Beatles". Although accused of false advertising, regulators eventually concluded they couldn't do anything because it was technically accurate.

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     Nick Taylor (tienelle@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 22:01:12 JST Nick Taylor

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian And it suited the language so well that Cherokee went from "no written form" to "most people who speak the language are literate" in a decade or so.

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     Deirdre Saoirse Moen (deirdresm@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 02:52:08 JST Deirdre Saoirse Moen

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     @standev @inthehands @ian The coolest bit about Hangul, though, is that the shape of the letters are a cue to how to make the sound. So they’re not just arbitrary shapes. I don’t know of another script system that tries to represent the biology side too.

     https://takelessons.com/blog/learn-hangul-korean-alphabet-for-beginners-z11

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Letter_design

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     standev (standev@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 02:52:09 JST standev

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian The Korean writing system was also created all at once, although it was a decision to switch from Chinese characters to a native system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Hangul

     It was “created” by King Sejong the Great, but I am somewhat skeptical that he did so truly alone—it’s easy for the boss to take credit for the team’s work, as it were. (I’m not trying to imply anything about Cherokee here, Sequoyah probably didn’t have a court of professional scholars on hand.)

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     Terry Grundy, FRSA (terrygrundy@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 07:22:29 JST Terry Grundy, FRSA

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands @ian Do you by any chance have a translation of this text? The Cherokee script is beautiful.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 07:22:29 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Terry Grundy, FRSA

     @terrygrundy @ian
     I don’t know what it says, alas. This is the source: https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/132087/displaying-cherokee-text

     Many examples I found were either clumsily pixelated or bad photos of old documents, and I wanted something that looked crisp and modern, conveying the idea that indigenous people are still (gasp! who knew!) alive and speaking indigenous languages in the present day. So I chose that image even though I don’t have the translation.