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    Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:39:11 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
    • The Corodon

    Oh yeah, @thecorodon is singing my tune here:
    https://wandering.shop/@thecorodon/111075315601088473

    As someone put it to me once: “If a decision can cost or save a company $1 billion, doesn’t paying them $10 million to make that decision make sense?”

    That’s solid reasoning…though I doubt the underlying assumptions. But…is it true? Could it really work that way? Well…
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    In conversation Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:39:11 JST from hachyderm.io permalink

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      The Corodon (@thecorodon@wandering.shop)
      from The Corodon
      @inthehands@hachyderm.io It can be hard but you could think--one well might!--that difficult calls like that are why CEOs receive above-average compensation.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:41:49 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      Consider:

      In the mid-00s, after the dot com bubble had fizzled and during Amazon’s ascendance to total domination, Best Buy had a substantial and rather enviable in-house custom software operation. It’s a lot to get going: not just hires, but a culture to establish, process, precedent, momentum. They had it. At that crucial moment, they had it.

      And on day, they outsourced it all to Accenture.
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      In conversation Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:41:49 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:43:50 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      To be clear: by “outsourced,” I mean they took essentially 100% of their in-house software development capacity and handed it over to Accenture. People who’d been Best Buy employees were suddenly Accenture employees overnight.

      I don’t need to walk you through the rapid disintegration, people going to the winds, Best Buy’s desperate attempts to back out of that Accenture contract. Use your imagination.
      3/

      In conversation Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:43:50 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:47:34 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      By the late 00s, Best Buy was a company on its heels. They maybe could have gone head to head with Amazon, but the CEO made a terrible decision that set them back 10 years.

      And here’s the point: in hindsight, it was very clearly a terrible decision. The kind of decision we supposedly pay CEOs not to make.

      So…did that CEO get paid the usual gajillions? Or where they booted from industry, never able to find work again? Well…
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      In conversation Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:47:34 JST permalink

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        make.so
        This domain may be for sale!
      Matthew Lyon repeated this.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:51:45 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      …nope!

      He stayed on for 5 more years. His pay went •up• after his disastrous decision-making.

      And what finally got him out of Best Buy? He retired. He’s now on the board of PragerU.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Anderson_(executive)

      So whenever people say that we have to pay CEOs all that money because they make the big important decisions, I think of Best Buy and just laugh.
      /end

      In conversation Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 23:51:45 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:53 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Gretchen Anderson

      @gretared
      Ha, sending them out of the frying pan and into the fire there

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:53 JST permalink
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      Gretchen Anderson (gretared@vis.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:55 JST Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson
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      @inthehands in all seriousness tho, I worked for a de dev studio around then making websites. We did a project to assess the needs of a large hard drive mfr and came up with a huge roadmap that was mostly systems integration. I told them to call someone like Accenture to do the work because we were not at all qualified to do it. My boss was *livid* but that client never forgot I was honest with them. Those were the days.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:55 JST permalink
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      Gretchen Anderson (gretared@vis.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:57 JST Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson
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      @inthehands Accenture in 1999/2000 was like 5 min old as a dev shop. Shoulda gone w Deloitte. 😝

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:31:57 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:33:04 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Matthew Reinbold

      @matthew
      I have wondered the same. I’ve never heard a public accounting that even came close to echoing the experiences I heard from the many people I know who worked there at the time.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:33:04 JST permalink
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      Matthew Reinbold (matthew@opinuendo.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:33:17 JST Matthew Reinbold Matthew Reinbold
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      @inthehands Has there ever been the full white paper treatment of the Best Buy/Accenture story published anywhere?

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:33:17 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:09 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • McNulla
      • Andromeda Yelton

      @thatandromeda @mcnulla
      Oh dear

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:09 JST permalink
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      Andromeda Yelton (thatandromeda@ohai.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:10 JST Andromeda Yelton Andromeda Yelton
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      • McNulla

      @mcnulla @inthehands …after which he ended up as co-CEO at Oracle, where, among other things, he narrated the required sexual harassment training videos.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:10 JST permalink
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      McNulla (mcnulla@techhub.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:11 JST McNulla McNulla
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      @inthehands
      Mark Hurd was given $50 million dollars to leave HP “for cause”, meaning he’s broke the rules about reimbursement expenses (reimbursed for personal trips with his mistress). I’d have been walked out, not a dime, and likely legal charges. This after HP was nickel and diming employees, reducing benefits of every kind & reducing pay under his reign.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 00:44:11 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:23:48 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Michael Wyman

      @mwyman Same, both counts

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:23:48 JST permalink
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      Michael Wyman (mwyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:23:49 JST Michael Wyman Michael Wyman
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      @inthehands I lived in Minneapolis at the time, and knew people impacted by this at Best Buy’s headquarters.

      And had known people fucked over by Accenture for a long time before that to remember thinking this was a disaster brewing.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:23:49 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:30:32 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      I guess an obvious but important addendum here:

      Everyone who worked at Best Buy at the time knew this would be a disaster. Opinion ran the gamut from “those idiots” to “those fuckers.” In hindsight, the prevailing opinion of the people in the midst of the work was correct, and the CEO was wrong.

      That’s not to say that employees always know everything, or that there’s never value in a leader with perspective, but…listening to the folks on the ground even a little would have prevented a fiasco.

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:30:32 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:47:27 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      Original AI-related thread that spurred the Best Buy digression, ICYMI:
      https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111075245991998920

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 01:47:27 JST permalink

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        Paul Cantrell (@inthehands@hachyderm.io)
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        You know how young children will see some toy or shiny object on a store shelf, and somehow — by design! Marketers know what they’re doing! — they instantly •have• to have it, and are obsessed, and all sense and proportion go out they window and they need it now now NOW, but if they get it they soon abandon it because it’s junk that only looked good on the shelf? It’s like that with CEOs and AI right now.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 03:08:07 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Donald Ball

      @donaldball
      I mean, workplace democracy is chaotic and fraught and implosion-prone…but I’m not sure it’s worse!

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 03:08:07 JST permalink
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      Donald Ball (donaldball@triangletoot.party)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 03:08:09 JST Donald Ball Donald Ball
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      @inthehands Something something workplace democracy

      In conversation Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 03:08:09 JST permalink

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