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    Jennifer Wojcik (jenwojcik@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 10:13:11 JST Jennifer Wojcik Jennifer Wojcik

    OMFG THIS IS SO HUGE!!!

    WHAT THIS MEANS: If a company attempts to dissuade their workers from forming a union...

    THE UNION IS AUTOMATICALLY FORMED WITH OR WITHOUT A FORMAL VOTE AND THE COMPANY MUST IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE IT.

    Jumping up and down because OMFG THIS IS BIG!!!

    https://newrepublic.com/post/175207/national-labor-relations-board-nlrb-rules-companies-union-bust

    In conversation Monday, 28-Aug-2023 10:13:11 JST from mastodon.social permalink
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      Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:57 JST Ramin Honary Ramin Honary
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      • ecsd

      @JenWojcik @ecsd

      > "It's not a law per se, it's a rule by the National Labor Relations Board. It's very real. This is bureaucracy, not legislation."

      Thanks, this is a pretty important bit of context that makes me a bit more hopeful. I highly doubt that the donors to the Biden administration will allow him to let the NLBR get away with this. Biden bent over backward to accommodate the rail industry bosses and force the rail workers to go back to work in spite of the catastrophically dangerous working conditions. There is no way he will allow this ruling to stand.

      But for the time being, as I understand it, this will make organization between separate unions much easier, and I hope the unions take advantage of this while they can.

      In conversation Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:57 JST permalink
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      Jennifer Wojcik (jenwojcik@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:58 JST Jennifer Wojcik Jennifer Wojcik
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      • ecsd

      @ecsd

      It's not a law per se, it's a rule by the National Labor Relations Board. It's very real. This is bureaucracy, not legislation.

      In conversation Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:58 JST permalink
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      ecsd (ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:59 JST ecsd ecsd
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      @JenWojcik

      This did not happen, right? They'd never allow that law to be passed.

      EXcellent idea, though.

      In conversation Monday, 28-Aug-2023 17:48:59 JST permalink
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      Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:20:58 JST Grassroots Joe Grassroots Joe
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      • Ramin Honary
      • ecsd

      @ramin_hal9001 @JenWojcik @ecsd

      You missed the part where the Union subsequently negotiated sick days in their final agreement. Biden didn't screw the railway workers in any way shape or form.

      To the contrary, they praised the administration for making it possible for them to get what they needed.

      This ruling is absolutely a direct result of the election of Biden and Harris as President and Vice President.

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:20:58 JST permalink
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      Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:00 JST Grassroots Joe Grassroots Joe
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      • Ramin Honary
      • ecsd

      @bobchauvin @ramin_hal9001 @JenWojcik @ecsd

      “We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers."

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:00 JST permalink
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      bobchauvin (bobchauvin@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:03 JST bobchauvin bobchauvin
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      • Ramin Honary
      • Grassroots Joe
      • ecsd

      @ramin_hal9001 @joeinwynnewood @JenWojcik @ecsd

      Google is helpful

      https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid#:~:text=The%20IBEW%20and%20BNSF%20Railway,personal%20days%20to%20sick%20days.

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:03 JST permalink
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      Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:04 JST Ramin Honary Ramin Honary
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      • Grassroots Joe
      • ecsd

      @joeinwynnewood @JenWojcik @ecsd

      > "You missed the part where the Union subsequently negotiated sick days in their final agreement."

      So the part I did not miss was that the rail workers voted to strike when their contractual demands for better hours, paid vacation, and improved safety were not met. So then Biden signed the executive order to make their strike illegal and forced them to go back to work with no new contract.

      So is it accurate to say that after the rail workers were forced to go back to work, the union went back to the negotiating table with the rail corporations holding the same contract they were demanding before plus on top of that paid sick leave, and Biden had a hand in forcing the railroad corporations to capitulate to the demands of that new contract?

      Is that what happened? Can you point me to a news article about that?

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:04 JST permalink
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      Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:06 JST Ramin Honary Ramin Honary
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      • bobchauvin
      • Grassroots Joe
      • ecsd

      @joeinwynnewood @bobchauvin @JenWojcik @ecsd thanks for pointing me to the article instead of making me Google it myself.

      But that doesn't really answer my question. From the article you pointed me to, it sounds more to me like sick days was all they got. All the other parts of the contract they were striking for were thrown out when Biden stabbed them all in the back. And all this even after the East Palestine Ohio derailment incident.

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:06 JST permalink
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      ocdtrekkie (ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:08 JST ocdtrekkie ocdtrekkie
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      @JenWojcik It's always been pretty wild to me that there's been no real downside to companies trying to union bust. This finally makes it a bad idea.

      In conversation Tuesday, 29-Aug-2023 02:21:08 JST permalink
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