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   :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans: (alfredohno@0w0.is)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:41 JST :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans:

   Imagine, if you will, for a moment, a world in which micro USB was never invented and we continued to use mini USB until type-c was conceived
   It’s better, isn’t it?

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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:32 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     • La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)
     @izaya @alfredohno @ellenor2000 micro USB b is easier to solder than USB c, mini is even easier, hence why those are used in DIY projects. Full size USB B is used in everything music related andalso printers and such. full size 3.0 USB B is a rarity but I have an HDD dock station that uses it.
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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:33 JST Xeon²

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     @alfredohno @ellenor2000 at this point it's just funny
     it happens repeatedly that people tell me "oh X is so much better than Y [the old version of X]" and then I get my hands on X a few years later and it's just mediocre
     
     my old phone is from 2015 and my new one from 2020 and for being three times the age the micro-USB port on the old phone has held up much better than the USB-C on the new one
     
     but I also only have a sample size of one because like, what else uses USB B connectors at this point? networks have displaced all the uses I can think of besides charging phones; printers, external storage... actually I think that was all I used B connectors for anyway
     and I guess it'll be at least another two years before I get a sample size of 2, assuming the USB connector on my current phone doesn't fail, because what other usecase is left?
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     • La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)

     @izaya @ellenor2000 I don’t really know what to tell you, the worst I’ve ever gotten is easily cleaned dust in the port, they’re even rated for nearly twice as many uses out of the factory
     I’ve had every fire tablet I’ve ever owned (some four by now) have its stupid little port and cable die out in a handful of months, my type c phone of three years has yet to even have the slightest bit of wiggle in its port, with every cable I’ve used still reliably working for both data and power

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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:36 JST Xeon²

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     @alfredohno @ellenor2000 I do tend to be the pathological case for most computer stuff but like, I was kind of expecting it to be good and all I got was 'oh I guess I can plug it in upside down, but it's super fragile now'
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     :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans: (alfredohno@0w0.is)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:37 JST :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans:

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     @izaya @ellenor2000 Odd, because 80% of the micro usb cables and ports I have are broken, and I’ve yet to manage to break either mini nor C

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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:38 JST Xeon²

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     @alfredohno @ellenor2000 unironically had a worse experience durability-wise with two years of USB-C on one device than I have with a decade of micro-USB on n+1 devices
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     :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans: (alfredohno@0w0.is)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:39 JST :LiquidBeans: :baba_hera: :LiquidBeans:

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     @ellenor2000 …It is absolutely not the same.
     Mini and type c can still be fragile, yes, but micro is beyond fragile, it’s wet paper, it becomes dysfunctional if you sneeze

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     La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs) (ellenor2000@mastodon.top)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 08:38:40 JST La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)

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     @alfredohno No, it's the same. Mini-B and type C still suck. People still yearn for the strength and certainty of D-sub.

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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 09:04:12 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @izaya @alfredohno @ellenor2000 USB, especially B is more robust than vast majority of cheap Ethernet cables. Most printers, scanners etc aren't networked, and even if they are usually they still can be connected directly and it's done by USB B, unless it's some sort of portable one. Vast majority of MIDI devices are USB B unless again it's a small form factor. Type c and micro fill the same niche (ultra portable devices) while having similar level of robustness, main difference is that type c doesn't get awkward when you need 3.1 speeds and such.
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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 09:04:13 JST Xeon²

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     • La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)
     @alfredohno @ellenor2000 @hj you can get connectors that avoid that, or reterminate the cable if it does anyway
     t. network engineer
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     @izaya @ellenor2000 @hj RJ45 is great when the clip doesn’t snap off like it always does eventually

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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 09:04:15 JST Xeon²

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     • La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)
     @hj @alfredohno @ellenor2000 Can't say I have a lot of experience with music. Printers often have ethernet and I won't buy one without, as if it has ethernet I usually won't need to do any bullshit to make it work. My grandad has one (1) external HDD with a 3B socket, but no cable, and I don't think it's ever been used.