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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 00:49:32 JST feld
   The current climate denial logic seems to be "it's weather because if it was climate we'd be getting catastrophic events all the time" which ignores the energy cycle involved here. If we were getting them all the time there would be so much energy we'd be likely extinct.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:08:02 JST feld

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     also I'm not here to tell people how to live their lives. I'm not screaming STOP USING OIL, etc as that is completely unrealistic and unproductive.
     
     There is an assumption that if you recognize climate change you agree with these extreme ideas that can't be backed up by simple math.
     
     We *need* more energy than we can produce otherwise right now.
     
     We *need* many of the byproducts of oil or the world around us collapses.
     
     We *need* to take serious action ASAP, but not stupid ideas that involve amassing more debt. A lot of problems are regulatory/legal hurdles preventing good progress on these issues.
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     :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:08:03 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @feld@bikeshed.party I don't really understand the underlying logic or motivations behind denial of climate change from the average person. They gain nothing by believing it to be some conspiracy theory, nor do they benefit from obstructing efforts at ecologically/environmentally-progressive government policies.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:09:32 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld how do you actually distinguish it though?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:11:21 JST feld

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     > I have documented in the last 10 weeks a complete ecosystem collapse occurring.
     
     "But how can you prove that this isn't a normal cycle that happens every couple thousand years? We don't have any way to prove it"
     
     well, we have lots of data from core samples of soil, rocks...
     
     "That sounds like scientists making shit up"
     
     literal fucking bikeshedding from the peanut gallery
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:11:22 JST SlicerDicer

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     I will not deny that there is catastrophic events of the past. My grandfather was molded by the dust bowl. My own life was molded by Hurricane Andrew.
     
     That said, this is not just about climate this is about ecosystems. This is about habitat that is beyond our own. I have documented in the last 10 weeks a complete ecosystem collapse occurring.
     
     The denialism will be short lived. The real consequences are coming.
     
     Coral
     Anemone
     Flatworms
     Nudibranch
     Oysters
     Clams
     Scallops
     Sponges
     Seagrass "Halimeda" Incidentally I apparently am one of the first two humans to report bleaching halimeda in the wild. It was only ever in the lab before. I had no idea it could bleach and I am like uhh, I hate to be stupid here but is this bleaching? I was not even sure it was halimeda so I did not say so. But damn what the hell.
     Some Fish
     
     The entire thing is dependent upon zoozanthellea
     
     If the zooz get a bit hot? they start producing more than the metabolic process can handle. These levels rise to the lethal limit and boom. Well coral bleaches the way it does as it can evict the algae and survive as a coping mechanism. More often than not as it seems it turns out to be fatal in cases like this year down here. None of the other species on that list evict, they just fall over and die as far as I understand. The halimeda I see right now? Is 100% dead as its bleached. It does not evict.
     
     Taking into account the above? This is whats known, I do not know if the hydroids bleach, do the man o war bleach? well that is what we will find out as this progresses. What we do not know that we wish we had.
     
     The denialists down here are going full force believe me, its worse now than ever. I see it in the paper, on social media related. That is what is curious. The answer is appearing in front of them and they look at it? Then deny it harder its really something. Some do not, those that do not are then terrified. It might be a coping mechanism at this point.
     
     No I am not a marine biologist, but I know more than most. This is all tempered and filtered information based on what is known and what is not known. The fact is I do not just speculate. I do ask and get answers for what this means.
     
     Let me tell you in the last 10 weeks I have seen more profanity than ever from people who always maintained composure. They are losing their minds as its so out of bound.
     
     For those who do not know? The upper bound limit on this chart is 10 weeks and total kill on the right side DHW. 10 weeks is 100% mortality.
     
     The entire keys has hit 10 weeks now as well as southeast Florida. Well the keys is nearly double the value, anyone who thinks this is ok has been eating lead.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:17:50 JST feld

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     The energy we're seeing build up in the oceans is a massive red flag, for one. I can't say for sure off the top of my head but it might be the most intense concentration of energy in the oceans that has ever existed in all of recorded human history.
     
     Trying to blame this exclusively on the typical El Nino / La Nina and their presumed relation to solar cycles is wild, but you can see how it would be easy to dismiss it when the cycle is ~11 years and that limits the number of events we can record and analyze with modern technology as well as how many times a single human can witness them in their lifetime so it's hard for someone to say what is "normal" or not
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:19:37 JST SlicerDicer

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     @Moon @feld Well you can see how we’ve changed the size of the atmosphere for one. How many cubic miles of crap have we combusted adding gas that was once solid?
     
     Enough to change the entire 500mb altitude. Reordering the treeline even.
     
     Anthropogenic effect is clear. Weather is not climate either. Long term changes like I mentioned impact climate.
     
     It’s also modified the ccd. Carbon Compensation Depth. Inversely the oceans behave like the atmosphere in reverse. It’s just gas laws in physics. Pressure and saturation. As a technical diver I load and unload these gases up to 160psi on my body. So that’s how I really know for sure.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:20:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SlicerDicer @feld I have been mildly skeptical for various reasons but the ocean damage seems undeniable to me.
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:21:28 JST SlicerDicer

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     @Moon Scientists are shitting themself too.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:23:37 JST feld

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     > Well you can see how we’ve changed the size of the atmosphere for one.
     
     Nobody is actually talking about this either. I haven't encountered any discussions about it at all except our own private chats.
     
     But again, it's easy to dismiss because we didn't have the technology to measure it 200 years ago.
     
     @Moon graph shows the atmosphere getting *taller*.
     
     There is a phenomenon I didn't know about until recently. The atmosphere is taller at the equator. That's why storm systems behave the way they do in the midwest (and similar in South America, etc).
     
     Violent storms happen across the bible belt / tornado alley from hot and cold fronts being crushed together -- compressed -- because they have to coexist in a smaller space. I've always known it was due to mixing of the bodies of air, but they don't teach you in school that the atmosphere height is a major factor.
     
     So think about it. Higher atmosphere at the equator, more energy it can store... what happens next?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:26:52 JST feld

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     Another thing @SlicerDicer brought up recently --
     
     Are the trees bleaching? Like the coral? What exactly is causing *this*?
     
     https://knowablemagazine.org/article/food-environment/2023/dead-trees-shocking-scientists
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:32:32 JST feld

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     "oh no, we got better data and calculated a better result"
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     FediJoshJ (fedijoshj@sneed.vip)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:32:33 JST FediJoshJ

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     @feld @SlicerDicer Did you see the bullshit from them about the estimated age of the universe changing? It's so fucking frustrating.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:35:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SlicerDicer @adiz warming won't kill us, losing the biodiversity from the warming will kill us.
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:35:22 JST SlicerDicer

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     @adiz Negative. We will evolve. That’s what the science says.
     
     The question is at that point what evolves to compete with us. That’s when we extinct/not extinct. Just like we did to other species. This heat and fire drives wicked evolution like you wouldn’t believe. Just because we can’t see it yet doesn’t mean shit. It’s the little stuff that becomes the big stuff.
     
     Also surviving is a very large band of comfort/toleration. So we can’t forget that. What it means without normal processes for us. The best science I’ve seen pushes to year 3000. It’s far out but this is long term endgame where things really get weird.
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     :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:35:24 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @feld@bikeshed.party Just got to accept that we're all going to die. @SlicerDicer@bikeshed.party

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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:43:33 JST SlicerDicer

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     @FediJoshJ @feld God killed these Cassiopea for their sins.
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     FediJoshJ (fedijoshj@sneed.vip)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:43:33 JST FediJoshJ

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     @SlicerDicer @feld I hate jellyfish, they creep me out so much. For me, that's the worst part of the warming oceans.
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     FediJoshJ (fedijoshj@sneed.vip)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 01:43:34 JST FediJoshJ

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     @feld @SlicerDicer "Oh, you got better data? That's just proof that you're all making it up and that God exists!"
     Such dumb fucks.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 02:22:31 JST feld

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     What if these trees dying is not drought (hydraulic failure) but instead it's methane?
     
     We know that there's a ton of methane under forests. Some forests naturally emit it.
     
     We know from leaky pipes in cities that it kills trees like this.
     
     Are the forests burning especially hard because we've heated up the soil enough to cause a release?
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 02:38:33 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @SlicerDicer @feld the ocean doesn't exist, is a psyop
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