@poshelnahuymedia@kolektiva.social Honestly, pay never really was a reason for me to switch jobs either. Its more important to have fun colleagues and interesting work, with good hours. Having good parties from time to time on the company's bill is also a good thing to have for teambuilding, much more effective than any dumb HR teambuilding game they can dream up with.
Money isn't everything, most employees know this too. If you think a job is literally only ever a thing about money and nothing more, I feel very sad for you.
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:11 JST 
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LovecraftEnthusiast :shyduck: (lovecraftenthusiast@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:06 JST 
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>”haha now that I have all of you here on your friday for mandatory bowling outting remember you have to get vaccinated or you’re fired and its a tough year so don’t ask about raises!” BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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burner (burner@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:07 JST 
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@LovecraftEnthusiast @tyil @poshelnahuymedia good amenities are usually just a cost cutting measure
why give everyone a raise when they'll be just as happy to have a pool table in the breakroom, which costs a fraction of the cost? -
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LovecraftEnthusiast :shyduck: (lovecraftenthusiast@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:09 JST
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>Having good parties from time to time on the company's bill is also a good thing to have for teambuilding
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:50 JST 
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@King_Noticer @tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia WV is pretty based and inexpensive compared to a lot of places. Not nearly as good as it was pre-covid. -
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King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:51 JST 
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@tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia The places that aren’t shitholes are too expensive to live in though :thinkin: -
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King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:53 JST
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@SuperSnekFriend @tyil @poshelnahuymedia How does minimum wage pay for a simple but happy life, that’s what I wanna know -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:53 JST
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@King_Noticer@poa.st @SuperSnekFriend@poa.st @poshelnahuymedia@kolektiva.social It starts with not being retarded, then it starts by not living in a literal shithole. Once you have those two solved, its really easy.
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:54 JST 
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@tyil @poshelnahuymedia >I'm certain you could get yourself a job
That's not very kind hearted of you to assume I'm not asking out of genuine need. I have a medical condition that prevents me from getting any job.
>Oh, I actually care about my money now that people are asking for it.
>Even minimum wage already covers the cost for a simple but happy life. Pull yourself up by your boot straps
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:56 JST
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@tyil @poshelnahuymedia Since you don't care about money, do you mind giving me half your pay check for the rest of the year, post-tax? I could use it. :jahy_oooh: -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:14:56 JST
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@SuperSnekFriend@poa.st @poshelnahuymedia@kolektiva.social Nah, I'm certain you could get yourself a job rather than mooching off of me.
You may be getting me wrong, it's not that I don't care about money, I just don't consider it some godlike possession that one should strive for at all costs. Even minimum wage already covers the cost for a simple but happy life. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:17:35 JST
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@King_Noticer @tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia Seriously look at all the places that libtards hate and bitch about on reddit and such. If the weather is decent, it's probably an okay place. If not for family and community, I'd live in Costa Rica or one of those kinds of places with zero hesitation. Beautiful weather and usd goes far. -
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King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:20:11 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia Yeah but then you have to deal with Country Roads playing on loop in the background -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:20:11 JST
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@King_Noticer @tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia >renames himself John DENVER
>sings about West Virginia (NOT Colorado)
>actually from Roswell, New Mexico (probably an alien TBH) -
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King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:23:05 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia The state of that man BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:26:34 JST
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@tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia @King_Noticer It's a great song. -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:26:37 JST
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@King_Noticer@poa.st @BowsacNoodle@poa.st @SuperSnekFriend@poa.st @poshelnahuymedia@kolektiva.social Man, I love that song, I should queue it next~
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:29:08 JST
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@tyil @SuperSnekFriend @poshelnahuymedia @King_Noticer Idk where you live, but as a man who is not financially destitute, I think things suck for people starting out. They don't make boot straps like they used to (they're chinesium and they fall apart when you try) and the overall economic mobility is lower than it was even 15 years ago when I thought it was awful. That doesn't even touch on the social issues plaguing young people. -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:29:11 JST
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@SuperSnekFriend@poa.st @BowsacNoodle@poa.st @King_Noticer@poa.st @poshelnahuymedia@kolektiva.social I'm actually living only 20 minutes by train from the village I grep up in. I moved here because it was cheaper to buy a house.
Also, I do not have a six figure income, but I do feel flattered about the compliment! -
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:29:12 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @King_Noticer @tyil @poshelnahuymedia >Latin America, China, Africa, Israel: Brings shithole to your small towns, US.
>Same countries: Tee hee! Whoopsie!
>Tyil: Oh well! You needed to pull yourself harder and move to a better area, like I did with my six figure income. -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:36:28 JST
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@BowsacNoodle@poa.st I've heard tales of the USA and its system is indeed atrocious. Decades of corruption at the top left the current generation in a pit. And still, at this very moment, there seems no movement to get rid of the corruption and make life better for the average person. This is why I consider it a shithole that you should move out of, or fight to improve. Those are your choices, especially if you want to leave it in a better shape for the generation that comes after you.
And for what its worth, I've met several USA citizens who moved out. Some even had the overseas company pay for their move, but this does require you to be skilled at something. It's fairly doable in IT for instance, where the bar is ridiculously low for entry, and companies are always on the lookout for actual quality people. If you have nothing to offer an employer, he won't be interested in paying any money for your work.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:37:42 JST
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@tyil We had everything here for even unskilled Americans to learn and make a decent living and it was thrown away for higher stock prices and JIT manufacturing. It's sad. But "learn to code", as true as it may be, isn't viable for everyone. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 03:13:29 JST
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@tyil I've had this conversation a lot lately with some younger guys I talk with. Showering before vs after work is not as important as being satisfied with your job and having the life outside of work that you want. Work as life is only viable for some people, and most of them don't ever find happiness even if they have better material conditions. There are welders who work half the year (lots of OT) living in fifth-wheel trailers and still earn 100k+. You can certainly be creative and find ways to make good money if you're capable. It sucks that people have to work that hard to have a lifestyle which should otherwise be much more attainable, but that's another issue. -
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tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 03:13:31 JST
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@BowsacNoodle@poa.st It's easy in IT, but certainly not limited to IT. The coziness of a high paying office job is desirable mostly due to the way the media, and how it portrays all kinds of jobs.
A family member of mine works at a shipyard, he makes way more than me for doing that, but at the cost of having a job that doesn't sound fancy when brought up in conversation. He doesn't care about that, he's doing what he loves doing. And because he's doing what he loves, he's more passionate than his colleagues. This is what allows him to have a better performance, which in turn is worth a lot of money in his employer's mind.
I know someone who makes good money in maintaining the sewer systems. There's plenty of jobs around, and especially dirty jobs can fetch a lot of money.
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