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   Seahorses are horses (piss_ant@spinster.xyz)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 12:55:46 JST Seahorses are horses
   I just heard the most brilliant argument against housing homeless people. "90% of fatal overdoses occur at home on the living room floor. So if you're giving someone a living room floor....." *trailed off*
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     @Piss_Ant Checks out
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     The Dread Slender Gnome (gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:00:16 JST The Dread Slender Gnome

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     @Piss_Ant Doesn’t seem that far removed from Boghossian’s argument against housing first-programmes, namely that they enable addiction.

     Logic being, I think, that if you give an addict a roof over their head, they have less incentive to get dry and they’ll be more able to keep using.

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     EmmyNoether (emmynoether@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:00:16 JST EmmyNoether

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     @Gnomeshatecheese @Piss_Ant Friends of mine who’ve worked professionally with drug addicts tell me that their experience is that you have to stabilise the addict’s chaotic lifstyle first before you have any chance of weaning them off drugs.

     I’ve got a lot of time for Boghossian’s grievance studies expose, but he’s wrong on this. He’s making the classic liberal intellectual mistake of thinking that drug addiction is a rationally chosen cost-benefit analysis about the lifestyle options open to a given individual. Addiction really, really doesn’t work like that. (Possibly he’s buying uncritically into the Alcoholics Anonymous rhetoric of “you have to hit rock bottom” and extending it to narcotics).

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     The Dread Slender Gnome (gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:01:13 JST The Dread Slender Gnome

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     @EmmyNoether @Piss_Ant Yeah, I’m leaning towars him being wrong on this as well.

     For one, Finland implemented full housing first programme, and as far as I know the results are that it actually helps get addicts off drugs, rather than the other way around. And the same seems to be the case with trials elsewhere.

     And of course quite apart from that, I think in a country where not having housing can be an effective death sentence at least part of the year, it’s just plain ethical to offer housing to anyone willing to stay under a roof.

     You may be correct of his liberal fallacy. I don’t actually know what he bases his opinion on, but from what I’ve heard there’s actual proper data that it’s not the case.

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     HebrideanHecate (hebrideanhecate@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 02:37:59 JST HebrideanHecate

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     @EmmyNoether @Gnomeshatecheese @Piss_Ant “Friends of mine who’ve worked professionally with drug addicts tell me that their experience is that you have to stabilise the addict’s chaotic lifstyle first before you have any chance of weaning them off drugs.”

     100% and, like alcohol, if they are in the company of other addicts it does nothing to assist them, even after getting off it, assuming they do, as they often pull them back down again, but unless someone is at least willing to engage and try there is absolutely nothing to be done to help them at all.

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