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   Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:19 JST Dushman

   • mdn

   @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
   it's worse now. I run a completely degoogled phone with lineage os.

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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:16 JST mdn

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     > a gajillion vulnerabilities
     If you ever monitored/filtered the crap that android+manufacturer installed on the OS this is where the gajillion vulnerabilities comes from.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:17 JST Dushman

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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
     I am not gonna run an OS that's 10 years out of date and has a gajillion vulnerabilities

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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:18 JST mdn

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     @dushman Next step replicant.us :gnujihad:
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:31 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • meso
     @dushman
     @meso @mangeurdenuage
     
     No, avoid phones altogether, I've seen that shitphones are a loss cause and it's impossible for them to be useful without being spyware.
     Forget about removable SIM cards in the coming few years, everything will come embedded into hardware and you won't be able to even start the shitphone and use it without activating that fucking eSIM. Dumb phones don't even work anymore cause 2G is being discontinued by all carriers.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:32 JST Dushman

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     • meso

     @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
     Okay it is based on 6 now which is not as bad but still very outdated and insecure. Just run a dumb phone tbh.

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     meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:34:33 JST meso

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     @dushman @mangeurdenuage Stop pulling shit out of your ass dawg
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:49:41 JST 翠星石

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     @jihadjimmy Ehh, I don't think eSIM's are really that much more proprietary than SIM cards.
     
     SIM cards are very insecure, as they contain a microprocessor that runs proprietary software and most SIM cards will run any proprietary program served to it by the mobile tower.
     
     Although you can swap SIM cards, all mobile chipsets have a hardcoded IMEI, so even swapping SIMs sadly has no real privacy benefit.
     
     From the wikipedia hardware, eSIM's seem to be pretty much the same, except the proprietary processor is soldered onto the board instead of being swappable and the network login details can be programmed from a mobile tower.
     
     
     It's impossible to have a mobile that works as a mobile, while also not revealing the location sadly.
     
     GSM instantly reveals the general location, but the specific location ideally would take a while to determine due to less ability for the tower to detect directionality, but of course LTE is much better at revealing the location and 5G even more so.
     
     I'm not even sure if mobile towers even bother to calculate the specific location, as pretty much all tracking devices have a built in GPS (that cannot be switched off, only asked to go into a low power mode) and you can really just ask such devices for the GPS location via the proprietary software and they'll provide it.
     
     In some countries GSM is still available, but soon enough that will drop to none.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:52:50 JST 翠星石

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     @dushman Riddle me this.
     
     If you only install free software via f-droid on an replicant device, what insecurity replicant software wise is there to exploit?
     
     Sure such mobiles can be completely compromised via the mobile chipset (maybe not the main processor that easily on newer mobile devices since IOMMU, but has any IOMMU implementation ever been audited?), but that's true for every single tracking device.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:52:51 JST Dushman

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     @maksim@mk.wherelinux.xyz @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
     It is which is why it's pretty insecure

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     maksim :fire: (maksim@mk.wherelinux.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:52:52 JST maksim :fire:

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     • meso

     @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club Also isn't it like Android 6?

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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:52:53 JST Dushman

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     • meso

     @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
     It's based on android 4 lmao

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 23:12:11 JST 翠星石

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     @jihadjimmy >The main issue I see is that manufacturers and carriers will demand you activate that eSIM at all to be able to use the phone even when you don't want mobile service
     Sure, although I can think of only 4 usages of a mobile without mobile services.
     
     >Right now you can still just get a shitphone, never put a SIM card and never get tracked by some carrier 24/7, and then mitigate other potential tracking schemes that can be used against users.
     I'm pretty sure that mobile chipsets are always connected to a mobile tower if one's in range even without a SIM card and "no signal" being displayed, due to emergency service requirements (if I remember correctly, it might be a legal requirement in the USA for a 911 call to go through even without a SIM card).
     
     Sure you can turn aeroplane mode, but that's really just asking nicely for the mobile chipset to stop transmitting.
     
     The only way to be sure with tracking devices is to tear out the mobile chipset, GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and any NFC antenna's sadly (you may need to solder in a resistor to simulate an antenna as well, as I have no doubt that some tracking devices are designed to stop working if it's detected that the antenna is missing).
     
     >with mandatory eSIM it's impossible to get and use a shitphone anonymously
     With or without a eSIM, it's impossible to use a tracking device anonymously unless you have it sealed in a Faraday bag, except you can't use it then.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 23:12:12 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @Suiseiseki
     
     The concern with eSIM is not only that is nonfree, that comes without question. The main issue I see is that manufacturers and carriers will demand you activate that eSIM at all to be able to use the phone even when you don't want mobile service (iPhones are a good example of what the future of all major shitphones will be). Right now you can still just get a shitphone, never put a SIM card and never get tracked by some carrier 24/7, and then mitigate other potential tracking schemes that can be used against users. But with mandatory eSIM it's impossible to get and use a shitphone anonymously unless you find some exploit or vulnerability that allows skipping the eSIM activation requirements.