Ruby
@abolisyonista @patrickgillam Is collapse inherently a bad thing? Archeology is full of examples of thousands of years spanning civilizations that just disappeared (at least that all we can interpret) and were immediately replaced by a society which seem to actively try to socially debate about how to avoid the past failures.
Maybe it's just our time.
Abolisyonista
The climate crisis has reached a point that #degrowth is inevitable. Either we hit the end of growth like hitting a brick wall or we can make it as just and as equitable as possible.
#Decarbonization is likewise inevitable. We either transition to lower energy requirements or we will hit it like jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
The end of the capitalist mode of production will be either forced upon us by the climate crisis, or we build a better world for our children.
Transition is inevitable, but a #JustTransition is not. We have to actively choose it.
saul critical :acab: 🎡
@abolisyonista this is something the anti-degrowth “communists” (they’re often PatSocs i.e. not real communists) don’t understand. Infinite growth with finite resources is not possible, degrowth is coming one way or the other, I’d rather have the version that doesn’t come with human extinction.
Michael Coorlim
@atompunkray @abolisyonista unfortunately power concedes nothing without a demand, and capital would have us die choking before they relent.
Patrick Gillam
If “degrowth” means “sustainable,” can we find a better word? Like “defund” (the police), it misleads.
Capitalism—and economies in general—have two paths: the extractive, exploitative path and the sustainable, mutually beneficial path. One is obviously better.
Regardless, I appreciate the original post. I can’t shake the feeling that we’re living in 1914 Europe, and the powers that be are not resisting the forces that are going to destroy them.
Michael Wong
@abolisyonista I don't think the #ClimateChange issue will bring about #degrowth. I think we are at the #TippingPoint of explosive growth because most people in the world are now desperate to improve their resilience/survivability to climate change. Think megaprojects like seawalls for cities, water bomber fleets for forest fires, etc. Also explosive demand in household solar/batteries/anything else #prepper. No matter cost. The US inflation reduction act is just the beginning.
maiamaia
@abolisyonista how is it inevitable? Only if those in control decide to care more about others in the future than themselves now, and if people like me renounce consumption
Pampa
I distinguish #Degrowth : desirable, democratic, pro-active, socially just, well researched, and a solution to multiple crises we face, from the impending catastrophic results of the climate crisis : mass migration suffering and death, hunger, disease, injustice, inequality, economic and social collapse.
The climate crisis does not make #Degrowth inevitable, it does mean it's more vital and urgent that we strive for it.
Brendan Jones
@atompunkray @abolisyonista het just to clarify something to both of you, uncontrolled collapse isn’t degrowth. Degrowth specifically refers to a *planned* reduction of human impacts on the planet (and therefore reduction of energy throughput and throughput of certain materials). If a reduction happens and it’s not planned, that’s not degrowth, it’s just … reduction. A recession. A collapse. Take your pick, but degrowth isn’t going to come “whether we like it or not”.
Matt Ferrel
@metaphorology @abolisyonista @patrickgillam are bad things bad? Yes
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