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   Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 03:03:33 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   Mozilla in how it's advertised / talked about:
   - The One True Independent browser against Google
   - Cares about your privacy
   - The Open Web!
   
   Mozilla in reality:
   - Nearly a Google subsidy
   - Chooses business over privacy
   - Made it impossible to reuse it's engine without forking the whole browser (like for chromium)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 03:14:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     Also in general: If you want your rights to be defended, don't rely something that's more or less a corporation for it.
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     ch0ccyra1n (ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 04:42:37 JST ch0ccyra1n

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     @lanodan what's the best alternative? Webkit? Lynx browser? Maybe Surf browser?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 04:42:37 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • ch0ccyra1n
     @ch0ccyra1n I'd say WebKit because it's daily-drivable.
     But much more importantly being aware enough to support/join an organisation or campaigns to actually defends your rights.
     Because as seen in the past, Mozilla won't *actively* do anything against DRM.
     
     And DRM is a legal mean first and foremost, from the software point of view they cannot work, but it's made illegal to workaround them.
     So there should be law changes to at the very least reduce the applicable scope of DRM.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:08:38 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • ch0ccyra1n
     @tusooa @ch0ccyra1n Because an embeddable engine is a *lot* of integration work?
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:08:39 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • ch0ccyra1n
     @lanodan @ch0ccyra1n wpe is still not anywhere near usable though
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:13:44 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • ch0ccyra1n
     @tusooa @ch0ccyra1n Yeah, quite expected, cog has the same kind of issue.
     
     WPE is pretty much letting your use a raw engine, which is great for embedded devices because inputs are often weird on those, but for desktops it's quite meh.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:13:45 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • ch0ccyra1n
     @lanodan @ch0ccyra1n like they don't even handle right clicks properly
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:16:47 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • ch0ccyra1n
     @lanodan @ch0ccyra1n :shizukuCatGetDown: yea but then i really really don't want anything gtk... :shizukuShyNyaaing:
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     Pixel Doge (aperezdc@oldbytes.space)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:45:41 JST Pixel Doge

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • ch0ccyra1n

     @lanodan @ch0ccyra1n @tusooa weren't aware that there are rough edges when trying to use WPE as an engine for a “full” browser on desktop style environments, and while we would like to improve in that regard, embedded usage has more priority because that's what sponsors the overall work on the engine and also a non trivial amount of work on the GTK port. The latter is partly because of the shared architecture of both ports, and in part because the GTK port is often used as test mule for WPE work (it is more convenient like that sometimes).

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 05:49:42 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • ch0ccyra1n
     • Pixel Doge
     @aperezdc @ch0ccyra1n @tusooa Oh, that's pretty nice to hear that you would wish it to improve, at least patches welcome rather than "possibly out of scope 🤷️".
     
     And yeah the sponsor part makes a lot of sense, at least from Igalia.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:31:02 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • flux capacitor
     @sudomemo Because you're on Windows?
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     flux capacitor (sudomemo@wetdry.world)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:31:07 JST flux capacitor

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     @lanodan what sucks is that there isn't really an alternative unless you're a macOS user

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:34:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • flux capacitor
     @sudomemo then there's webkit-gtk.
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     flux capacitor (sudomemo@wetdry.world)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:34:56 JST flux capacitor

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     @lanodan no?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:49:45 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • flux capacitor
     @sudomemo Yeah, that's the one part which is the same as for Firefox/Chromium :P
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     flux capacitor (sudomemo@wetdry.world)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 06:49:46 JST flux capacitor

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     @lanodan its GTK lol

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:29:58 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn Well… Mozilla is shrinking hard anyway but that was predictable even pre-Eich.
     (And I don't give a flying fuck about either, it's like talking about rockstars)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:30:00 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan ironically i think more LGBTs lost their job from the progressive CEO than ever did with the "bigot" CEO.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:30:01 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan that's what happens when you fire the libertarian creator and replace him with a WEF/ford foundation shill :blobcatgoogly:
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:30:49 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 Pressure volunteers? No.
     
     Help? Maybe, I mean netsurf is pretty cool and it works on Plan9.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:30:50 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan Quit complaining and just pressure the NetSurf devs to resume development.

     https://www.netsurf-browser.org/

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:34:48 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn Except I'm pretty sure Mozilla has at least one board, the CEO is far from being the only boss.
     
     Software also tends to reflects the structure of the org and on seeing how Mozilla is built I definitely wouldn't want to work there.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:34:49 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan orgs reflect their masters. (or i guess i should say *project*, but there is a heavy dose of how a company functions has a lot to do with how the helm behaves.)
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:40:05 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn @lanodan I loved fxos I have a fxos dev phone
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:40:07 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan their old internals were pretty anarchic though. they sort of loosely put together projects with goals and relied on people more or less self assembling in to working groups to work on those and then management would provision some budget for the working group to do it. they made a lot of wild stuff that way but i don't think could ever figure out how to market them (like the whole Firefox OS project that spawned a lot of fonts/code/weird shit that management chunked in the trash for some reason i forgar.)
     
     i don't know how it works now. it used to work very similarly to Valve.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:40:08 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan as far as i can tell management actively wants to destroy the company. they gave the CEO full bonus for firing the infosec and servo teams.
     
     i can't think of reasonable explanations why you would fire core competencies--and get a full bonus--unless the stakeholders actively want the company to fail.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:46:40 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn FirefoxOS for me was like: Eh, sounds kinda weird but I wonder where it'll go *something like few years later* Oh… it died.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:47:13 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @lanodan @icedquinn they killed it, it was actively being developed, I was on their mailing list
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:47:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 I don't think the JS thing makes sense anyway, pretty much all JS usage is interactive, while netsurf engine is single-render.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:47:58 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan People are still contributing to the repositories, but there hasn't been a release since 2020. It seems like they really need help with parsers and supporting more W3C standards. Their JS engine in particular is still barebones which is why it's disabled by default.

     https://source.netsurf-browser.org/

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 08:49:42 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn Yeah, that's also what I gathered from people that had a FirefoxOS device.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 09:03:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 Well… there's intentions and real life
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 09:03:13 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan The NetSurf team said that they plan on adding support for dynamic changes to web pages. They want to be compatible with all web standards, even if they are still far off.

     https://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/info.html#JavaScript