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   Jesse Baer 🔥 (misc@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 03:12:21 JST Jesse Baer 🔥

   Yes the constant meta (and Meta) discussion here is tedious, and often much worse, but what you have to realize is that this isn’t just a social network, it’s a left/progressive political project. I don’t know how many left/progressive political orgs you’ve been involved in, but let me tell you, they are kind of known for endless, agonizing talk about process, factions, outside threats, inside threats, strategy, grievances, etc. And if you have a solution for that, you just might save the world.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 03:12:21 JST myrmepropagandist

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     You may get push back on the idea that the fediverse is an “explicitly left wing” project. But I think you might be right. And it’s already “baked in” to the very structure and concept of an open protocol based network.

     We are refusing to automatically aggregate our users and their data to be monetized. We just want to socialize! We aren’t exploiting that human desire to connect to generate ad revenue or data to mine— or a social graph that can be sold and exploited.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 03:24:55 JST myrmepropagandist

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     If we admit it’s a “left wing” project will that limit our reach (to who? the ana-caps no one likes? people so toxic they can’t go anywhere else?) — Is there an obligation to enforce minimum standards (don’t think we want this either) — but there is political meaning to rejecting the “social media company”

     There isn’t a bright line (from a libertarian perspective) when it comes to monetizing users But there is for many here I think.

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     John Conway (john@sauropods.win)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 03:24:56 JST John Conway

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     • myrmepropagandist

     @futurebird @misc I think it’s worth considering that there is the *other side*; your Gabs and a large number of “free speech” instances. They lean right or libertarian.

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     Jesse Baer 🔥 (misc@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 03:45:50 JST Jesse Baer 🔥

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     • myrmepropagandist

     @futurebird lol I came ready for the pushback. ;) At most I think you could quibble about if it’s a left wing political project, or it’s a political project in which 90+% of the participants happen to be left wing*. It’s definitely a political project though. And there’s definitely a conflict between just wanting to socialize, and wanting to advance the goal of letting socialization happen differently.
     * Referring to this fediverse of course, not just anyone running Mastodon or AP

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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 04:34:41 JST GNU Too

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     woa, speak for your own project mate. Not everthing on the 'verse is left, or even political.
     
     Free Software contains capitalist ideals, socialist ideals, and anarchist ideals, it can't fit into a single political box. - rms
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     Jesse Baer 🔥 (misc@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 04:36:17 JST Jesse Baer 🔥

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     @gnu2 https://mastodon.social/@misc/110674327323702898