Threads is the biggest opportunity yet to introduce more “normal” people to Mastodon and the Fediverse.
And lot of servers react by…
…preemptively putting up HOA fences and turn their gatekeeping up to 11.
🤷♂️🤦♂️
Threads is the biggest opportunity yet to introduce more “normal” people to Mastodon and the Fediverse.
And lot of servers react by…
…preemptively putting up HOA fences and turn their gatekeeping up to 11.
🤷♂️🤦♂️
“Walled gardens are terrible, that’s why we’re walling our gardens!”
@extremelyuncanny @Silversalty It’s gotten better lately, but some people still do it.
@extremelyuncanny @thomasfuchs
Thanks for the reply but I saw that with a search and didn't think it applied to Mastodon and how some servers are controlled.
In a metaphoric sense? Similar to the varied social media sites?
@Silversalty @thomasfuchs kinda. It’s a common complaint about mastodon are the rules about how to post, when to post, what to post about, etc that many compare to HOA
@thomasfuchs
HOA?
@Silversalty @thomasfuchs homeowner associations. They are in the US and often can have draconian rules for the neighborhood about stuff like mowing times, grass height, house color etc
@thomasfuchs oh cool, the neighborhood I left with lousy neighbors have decided to move in to my cool ass neighborhood, yay, suoer psyched.
@thomasfuchs maybe I left Facebook for a reason and I'm not super excited to have those types of post show up in my feed?
@gsuberland I’m sorry, but fuck gatekeeping. I want as many people as possible on here, as long as it isn’t Nazis.
You still decide what you see and who you talk to yourself.
Preemptively blocking whole swaths of people because they don’t happen to be tech savvy is terrible.
@thomasfuchs hard disagree, on like... every possible angle here.
why do we need "more normal people"? what does that even mean? who the fuck even wants to be "normal"?
why does the fediverse corporate sponsorship in the first place, let alone from a company known for its invasiveness?
why would we chase a growth rate that outstrips the natural increase in organisational maturity and moderation ability of the people running instances?
@thomasfuchs @mainframed767 thomas, please reconsider making this comparison
@zzt @mainframed767 It might seem a drastic comparison, but that’s essentially what is going on here.
There’s many, many underprivileged people and communities using Facebook.
A lot of people on Mastodon seem to think they’re something better and are going to extreme measures with the gatekeeping.
The stance on here is hurting those people on Facebook; not Facebook, the company (who doesn’t give a fuck about these people or about the Fediverse).
@thomasfuchs That's not what "walled garden" means. Arguing by misusing a term with a different than usual meaning to get the emotional response the normal meaning evokes is bad-faith.
@krupo @mainframed767 And you can’t even use my name, you fucking asshole.
@mainframed767 @thomasfuchs it's not a racist desire to keep racists out of your community, Tommy.
@thomasfuchs is this really the argument you have for someone leaving a platform rife with cyber bullying and psychiatric manipulation not being excited about them coming here?
@ZiggyTheHamster in case where instances are badly moderated but not outright e.g. Nazi bastions, mods can block individual users (and should have access to shared blocklists)
@thomasfuchs theoretically a Bayesian filter on content on Threads would be sufficient, if Mastodon-the-software had a way for users to provide such feedback to the instance.
@thomasfuchs I’ll admit that the response to Meta here has made me less optimistic about implementing ActivityPub on the Amazon subsidiary I work for… but I also recognize that if my racist relatives end up here talking about their recipes involving horse paste or 5G neurotransmitters, that’s a big problem.
Idk enough about Mastodon the software to know if the problem is really just inadequate moderation tools. The protocol would allow you to drop messages without banning the instance.
@ZiggyTheHamster The problem on Mastodon spefically is that some very vocal people believe that Facebook is the Führerbunker or something when 99.9% of people on there are totally normal occasional social media users.
@gglockner @mlanger I think at the very least this is a good opportunity for better blocking features instead of blanket bans, e.g. shared block lists; both for server admins and for users.
@mlanger @thomasfuchs Blocking users makes sense to me. Blocking an entire site due to a small fraction of users seems overkill.
I will personally block the instance the first time I see an ad or get hassled by a lowlife from there.
Otherwise, I’m willing to see what happens.
@mlanger @gglockner The gist is: If you post it in public, it can be scraped.
Okay, this is a good point. Why didn't I see that? Not enough coffee? Or am I just so ad-adverse that I see threats everywhere?
And this scraping thing that people are worried about. They need to follow me to scrape content?
@mlanger @thomasfuchs To do so would require actual accounts, and you would need to follow those accounts. Mastodon software does not promote content that you don’t follow.
Even if that instance starts throwing ads at us?
@mlanger @gglockner It is not possible.
It’s a bit like trying to walk around in a city but be invisible to security cameras at the same time.
Yes, that's what I thought.
Right now, I'm interested in some kind of plugin for #WordPress that will prevent automated systems like bots from accessing my blogs. Is that even possible? Does anyone know?
AOL is the biggest opportunity yet to introduce more "normal" people to Usenet.
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