Yes. Those who support the mutilation of children's genitals without parental consent (and those who sympathize with them) should be eliminated from the conversation. There is no room for discussion or compromise on this issue. Ever. Period. End of story.
I'm also defending people who want endless war, the estblshmnt of both major parties. again, not their positions but that they should be welcomed into the convo. that trying to understand why they support the policies they do is fair. the leftist tactic of calling people racist is intended to remove their voice, and those sympathetic to them, from consideration. what you just did shows how the right is doing the same with trans issues.
I never said you supported child genital mutilation. I just pointed out you are defending those who support child genital mutilation (which has been the crux of your entire argument - that it's unfair to take people like that out of context).
Pointing out your own position to you is not propaganda, even if you suddenly realize your own position doesn't make any sense.
@wjmaggos You seem like a very binary person. If I oppose someone now I have to murder them? If I'm not for Totalitarianism I'm for tribal warfare?
You're failing in a dialogue with me, but you think you'll be successful in reasoning with folks who are promoting child genital mutilation without parental consent as a human right?
Trust me, my mind will not be changed about opposing child mutilation. I sure hope your mind gets changed about defending it.
so I never once said where I stand on this, yet that's what you're coming at me with. and I'm the binary person. this is exactly the propaganda I'm talking about. trans Maoism. a plot to end natural procreation. sounds like amygdala inflating bs to me, but it can't be, only the M5M does that.
@wjmaggos Good luck on calming down the Wokesters. I suspect you're either drastically underestimating their commitment to insanity or overestimating their capacity for reasoning.
Me? I'm on the side that thinks folks promoting the mutilation of children, physically and mentally, should have no place in public discourse and should be opposed, belittled, ostracized, and stopped with whatever tools are available. And I make no apologies about my position.
very brave. will you kill the doctors and parents like the pro life activists who had the courage of their convictions did? cause I don't think that's the appropriate response. I think it's trying to get the facts, have dialogue and write laws if necessary. but the scary part about that is you might have your mind changed too. instead better to just post tough guy stuff and mock the blue hairs.
we disagree cause we have different inputs. primarily
Wokeism is the precursor to French Revolution type behavior. I push against that. You said above that you would cheer them on if it entertained you. I will be out there trying to calm both sides down while you laugh. It's already happening imo.
The false dichotomy you've created is totalitarianism or tribal warfare, and the abstract, unrealistic solution you've proposed is "everyone can live in harmony if we all be nice to each other."
And to be a good liberal you've thrown in a dash of snark against religion for no reason at all.
The sad truth is, this way of thinking IS what has historically empowered totalitarian regimes time and time again since the French Revolution to now.
I don't do it so others will extend the favor to me. that's the selfishness of religiosity hoping it will get you into heaven. you do it because it allows for the society we share. like taxes. if people embraced your views, how long would it take till we tore society apart into warring tribes?
@wjmaggos Well, there's your problem. You're stuck in the classic liberal paradigm of thinking you can create heaven on earth because, contrary to all knowledge of human nature and history you believe man is both inherently good and a clear thinker. You want to achieve that which has never existed and which will never exist, and this blinds you to reality.
Journalism has ALWAYS been for someone's profit.
Read more Pope & Swift. Man is merely Capax Rationis.
@wjmaggos once upon a time I was like you are now, fiercely defending *everyone* to ensure someone else fiercely defends me in my absence. Not sure what will be your breakthrough moment but something’s gotta shift in your understanding of the Earth we live on for you to grow out of that “liberal” mindset @DaddyO@WidowGarrett@roundy
Your position makes no sense. If you don't agree with "those people" why are you defending them so doggedly?
If someone wants to video tape MAGA idiots saying dumb things, I would join in the mocking of them because I'm no on their side.
Do you agree with the Wokesters depicted in Libs of TikTok type videos? If not, then stop defending them. By defending them, you're making the case that all Leftists DO actually side with them.
cause I'm an actual liberal. more than anything else, I want an optimally functioning democratic culture. not people misunderstanding and hating each other so mutually advantageous compromises never happen. that's where I fear we're going with this "journalism" primarily for profit and treating politics as entertainment.
I don't know who approached that situation in bad faith first. That's where the problem began imo. And I think humans can sense it to a degree.
the problem is saying these few represent all "those people". are some Trump supporters deplorable? would constantly pushing out video of the worst Trump supporters and saying they are all this way be wrong? of course. would you get annoyed and perhaps do something if you saw people filming you to perhaps do this? and yes, the left does this too. but not all Dems are as woke as you think. they should push back more. as should "Trump Lost in 2020" Republicans.
I don't really get it. What's wrong with recording insane and idiotic things that people say and do in public and then sharing it so that people who aren't insane can ridicule it? If folks didn't want it recorded, why would they do it in public?
At this point Left and Right are meaningless designators. I hate Republican politicians as much as I hate Democrat politicians, and I use no social media outside of this account, so I don't care about clicks.
Did you watch the video? Or maybe I missed something. You have one woman complaining about having to listen to a black man one time. Otherwise, these people were not very nice to someone who is black and who they perceived as trying to get exactly this kind of LibsOfTikTok style video we see here.
I am left but antiwoke. I speak up. I think calling all conservatives racist etc is shit. But you're feeding on each other for status and clicks. Have some integrity.
@wjmaggos@DaddyO@WidowGarrett In this vid I see lefties: 1 Calling out a black man by race 2 Seizing his property, (scooter) 3 Shutting down his his freedom of speech & movement 4 Kicking him out of a PUBLIC area. U don't see the racism bc the authoritarian left has bathed in it so long it's blind to it, like the proverbial fish who can't see water. A free-thinking Black man with a job triggers y'all like nothing else. YES, we edit our vids2b short. Look into it for your 3-hour sniffcasts.
I have been to many protests. To complain about what you're showing here is ridiculous. Did they call him anything like baby killer or even groomer? Maybe you can drop a link to the rest of the video recorded that day...
@wjmaggos Efficient markets? Science? Democracy? Let's not be naïve.
We live in an age of unprecedented regulation and market manipulation, radical medical mandates and dubious pharma "science" and the biology of transgenderism, and unrestrained government corruption and law enforcement overreach.
Caring about being informed and caring for one's own is an objective good. Thinking we can make the "media environment" into something "good" is a quixotic goal.
how do you know all that? do you have direct experience or was it this horrible media env that somehow got you the info? when you compare the last 100 years to the previous forever, it's better. when you compare the amount of good information (and much more crap, I agree) compared to 40 years ago, is it not better? people like Assange and Greenwald fight for it to get even better. they don't do libsoftictoc style shit that ramps up division. we are not fucked.
but we've had worse media environments in the past. that we know as much about the world as we do, live as well as we do and can have these conversations is proof that making it better matters. more efficient markets, science and democracy required that improvement first. there is no reason it can't get even better, or worse if we stop caring about it. your idea is not bad because totalitarians agree with it, but because embracing it enables totalitarianism.
@wjmaggos One should judge the merit of an idea based on the idea itself and not whether some other group has or has not made use of it.
Totalitarians also probably endorse 3 meals a day. Doesn't make it evil.
There is an infinite amount of conjecture we can argue about to no end. At some point, one has to realize that such conjecture can only serve as partial context and cannot hold as much sway as the actual information being presented.
A better media environment is a mirage in the desert. It always has been.
And at some point one has to contend with the information that is actually available vice over-weighting the hypothetical information that is not available or may not even exist.
Not sure what your point is. Did you even watch the video? Yes, selective editing is a tool used by everyone everywhere, but that doesn't automatically negate everything shown in the video. Or do you honestly think there were thousands of hours of these people being rational and polite with the black guy that was left on the editing room floor just to "make a point"?
It was a 5m video. Might there be 2 hours they didn't use? Isn't this exactly the argument made by conservatives about January 6th? And yes, I've previously complained about the way those hearings were run.
These kinds of media outlets and videos are just a shitty (but lucrative) way to do "journalism". I became a supporter of NA back in 2008 cause exposing this crap is vital to moving to a better media environment. But they got captured by a MAGAish audience.
they said black man? NA has explained how these things work, you can talk to a hundred people and always easily edit the video to only show the few who are assholes to spin an entire event or group in the worst possible light. or did you guys miss that episode? it almost feels like you guys truly believe only "the left" would be so shady. roundy knows better, that's where his paycheck comes from. I know I am only supposed to say this about the M5M. boo hoo.
cause everybody's biased towards their own experience, or are you just saying this cause now you're being paid to be vocally partisan? isn't this kind of "the media manipulates us for profit" behavior exactly what we NA supporters are supposed to oppose, not engage in? are conservatives racist too?