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   Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 21:11:43 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

   almost funny

   https://rumble.com/v2v1qsk-big-pharmas-pro-vaccine-champion-dr.-peter-hotez.html

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 21:11:43 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @philcolbourn good editing. At church our bass player had covid a couple of weeks ago. And his wife was telling me about it, sounding rather exasperated, because he's had five shots already. She had come to the conclusion that giving a crap about covid is just an unnecessary pain in the arse.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:10:34 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @ned I'm wondering how to do a seed of thought:

     are you fully boosted? no
     why not? i don't think i need it now.
     why did you think you needed it before? they said we needed it.
     they say you need to be boosted - why aren't you boosted?

     etc.

     just need to work through likely answers.

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     Cook ?Syd (cook@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:57:13 JST Cook ?Syd

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     @philcolbourn @ned theyre usually not ready. The heterodox free rational thinkers are mostly already on the anti-pharma side, leaving those who dont want to do too much thinking they will just follow their feelings and its easier to do what the tv says than think.

     I like to ask them first 'what evidence would change your mind' if they dont have a good faith answer (you should have an answer yourself), their mind is closed and they are not ready, treat them with love and give them more time.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:57:13 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @cook @philcolbourn if it was effective at preventing infection or transmission that would have changed my mind. That was what most people were sold on in the first place. Too bad it was all bullshit.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 21:04:26 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @ned @cook that's what i was banking on!

     i wanted us to reach herd immunity so i didn't need to get injected

     i had some thoughts that this hasn't been tested, but i thought of everyone else who wanted it, got it, then I'd be protected - since infection rates would fall and virus would die out

     as Ro increased i did some simple math: herd immunity was no longer possible

     so vaccine isn't like traditional vaccines

     then i was mandated by employer to take it and my trust began to drop to 0

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:39 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @cook @ned
     i felt right to reject this mandate.

     then i got sick.

     mildest cold is ever had.

     everyone else in family who were vaccinated had it worse. my unvaccinated friend and i had a couple of days rest and were fine.

     i applied for another exemption based on having had virus.

     rejected. then i knew this was political and dangerous.

     i will be retiring early unless there is some reason not to. paperwork submitted and accepted. and no major party politician will ever get my vote again.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:39 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @philcolbourn @cook I told my boss I was not comfortable with the MRNA products, and was going to wait for Novovax. I was happy to work from home or even be put on leave until that option was available for me. He was OK with that. I got sick about a week before the Novovax was available. And once that happened he stopped asking about it, as it didn't really matter any more. I still kept my distance from people at work as much as possible just to reduce friction.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:40 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @cook @ned that's a hard question... what would change my mind... my mind has been formed over years of tidbits of thought and most confirmed by studies.

     these studies would have to be retracted by authors; my father's adverse reaction would have to have another cause; my almost insignificant COVID symptoms can't be changed.

     we would have to see less severe cases and deaths from a mostly vaccinated population - not more: virtual every case in Australia was after 90% adults were vaccinated!

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     Cook ?Syd (cook@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:40 JST Cook ?Syd

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     @philcolbourn @ned for me at least when the pressure was on I was saying that I wanted evidence that as a fit 30 year old it would significantly reduce my chance of catching it or passing it on.

     Seemed like a pretty reasonable request that should have been pretty easy to find but no one did ever send me anything including a doctor.

     Most of what I got was appeal to authority.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:40 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @cook @ned that is right question.

     i had to argue for an exemption that never came. 35 years of employment was worth nothing to those officiously bureaucratic vogans - it's policy and i was in breech of their code of conduct that required me to obey any reasonable order.

     but what if i was wrong? how stupid would i look if i got sick and was hospitalized or died?

     this motivated me to look at statistics and age-death rates and comorbidities. i had in-laws expecting me to get sick and die

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:16:40 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @cook @ned
     i was alone except for a friend. but nothing indicated it was bad. statistics seemed biased - with v for and vulnerable were 80% old and 95% oppressed by diseases.

     soon adverse reactions were being reported and my father had a case of rapid onset arthritis and miraculously made a full recovery in time... that was enough for me. these vaccines are not safe and they were not preventing infection, nor serious illness not death.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:22:11 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @philcolbourn @cook I am lucky to work in a small company where there is no strict policy or bureaucracy. And my strategy has been to avoid any situation where vax status may come up or be a requirement. There have been a couple of dicey situations with projects happening on university campuses and what not. It wasn't really all clear until about this year. 2021-22 was walking on eggshells the whole time.

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     Cook ?Syd (cook@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 11:49:22 JST Cook ?Syd

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     @ned @philcolbourn Yeah I was also lucky that work didnt care, I was only asked about vax status and then asked to leave one site visit once, it was their loss really.

     I had a coworker confide in me that he didnt want the vax but got it due to government/social pressure (even though work didnt care), he regretted it, sad.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 15:12:38 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @philcolbourn @cook It's a common trope that "the truth lies somewhere in the middle". In this case I honestly think it's probably true. We are soaked in a lot of doomer anti-vax information. They are soaked in M5M pharma propoganda. But reality is 99% of people that took it are fine. I see a considerable number of anecdotes describing some limited impact of overall health/immunity. But it's not the end of the world (yet).

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 15:12:39 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @cook @ned I'm worried about friends and family that took it.

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     Cook ?Syd (cook@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 15:51:32 JST Cook ?Syd

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     @ned @philcolbourn yes covid is bad for you, vax is bad for you, probably neither will kill you (though who knows long term).

     I think the anti-covid-vax crowd is closer to true on most points, but there are fringe views amongst the fringe views (vax makes 5G towers control your brain).

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     Cook ?Syd (cook@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 15:58:36 JST Cook ?Syd

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     @ned @philcolbourn & hard to tell the magnitude of vax health risk. If I compare to smoking; big tobacco/pharma lied about product safety. I know both 90 year old chain smokers & dead middle aged smokers. I know people with injuries after one vax & then there was the guy who took over 90 shots to sell the vax cards.

     But recommending the Vax for pregnant women & kids is like recommending them cigarettes. The size of the crime depends on the harm of the product & the vulnerability of the victim.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 15:58:36 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @cook @philcolbourn The way I see it is it's not just sufficient for the vax to not kill you. It's not even sufficient for it to reduce symptoms. It has to be significantly better than preventative measures like vitD, or it's just not worth it. It's not even significantly better than doing absolutely nothing at all! it's might be marginally better, if you squint and turn your head at the right angle.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 19:23:44 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @ned @cook agree. maybe 1 in 1000. but they take multiple doses and then get COVID which triples risk at least. better to get SARS2.5 and be done with it.

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     Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au (philcolbourn@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 19:28:50 JST Brother Phil 🇦🇺 au

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     @ned @cook but this is statistics: why should heathy risk adverse reaction to a vaccine when statistically they will have a mild cold?

     across a population you might argue vaccine works but not if those dying are health under 75s.