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   Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 01:50:09 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

   The more I explore #Kbin, the more I realise that redditors and subreddit communities who chose #Lemmy are missing a lot from the #Fediverse.

   Two examples:

   1. Lemmy instances are not seeing Kbin instances. So, no Kbin users, Kbin replies, etc.

   However, Kbin instances can see Lemmy instances. Kbin users can see Lemmy content and discuss. But Lemmy isn't seeing anyone from Kbin, so there is a disconnect in the discussion.

   2. You won't see the fediverse on Lemmy. But in Kbin, you can see it through the “Microblog” tab/feature.

   Basically, Lemmy is #Wordpress or #Drupal with an #ActivityPub plugin. If you don't have a non-Lemmy account, you will never know what you are missing. It's like a semi-siloed or semi-walled garden software.

   Sure, the fediverse can post and reply in a Lemmy community. But those with only a Lemmy account, they only see whatever is available in their instance.

   In Kbin, you can also setup a “Magazine” to watch out for certain tags/keywords and make it appear in its “microblog” tab/section.

   This way, a user also has an option to see, and interact, with the rest of the fediverse. They don't need to create an account in a non-Kbin instance. It's right there, in Kbin, a click away.

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   #2 alone is more than enough reason for me to pick Kbin over Lemmy.

   You get more interaction. You see more content.

   So, yeah, a huge plus for Kbin.

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   Tested on:
   - Lemmy: lemmy.world
   - Lemmy: lemmy.ml
   - Lemmy: sopuli.xyz
   - Kbin: fedia.io
   - Calckey: calckey.social
   - Mastodon: c.im

   Sample thread:
   - Lemmy (original): https://lemmy.world/post/77314
   - Kbin (federated): https://fedia.io/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/2658/Lemmy-and-Mastodon-feel-like-the-real-web3

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 01:55:07 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Roomey

     @roomey The only list I'm aware of is the one on the official website: https://kbin.pub (hover over the Instances menu).

     I haven't checked the fediverse server tracker websites if they added #Kbin yet.

     There is a solo Kbin instance I came across: https://kilioa.org (I found no way to register, so I assumed it's solo).

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     Roomey (roomey@mastodon.ie)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 01:55:09 JST Roomey

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     @youronlyone is there a list of kbin instances? Or a recommended one?

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:01:16 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • stux⚡
     • Roomey

     @roomey Quick update.

     I just saw this: https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/110537944659327956

     A new #Kbin instance is available here: https://u.fail by the admin of mstdn.social (@stux).

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:06:15 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Sim

     @0xSim Oooh! I wonder what is different on their end that it works.

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     Sim (0xsim@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:06:17 JST Sim

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     @youronlyone I replied in a Lemmy (beehaw) thread from a kbin (fedia) instance, and got replies back from beehaw users.

     Edit: though I didn't get any notification in kbin from the replies

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:08:40 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Sim

     @0xSim

     Hmm… from their Lemmy instance, can you also find via search Kbin users and Kbin Magazines?

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:37:19 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Sim

     @0xSim Good points!

     Now that you mentioned it, I checked and Lemmy's initial release was 2019-05-05 and the initial commit was 2019-02-15.

     While Kbin's initial commit was on 2021-01-14. (I can't find currently when was the first release.)

     Both are still little kids and then the #RedditMigration came. As compared to say, Friendica, Hubzilla, Mastodon, Pleroma, Misskey, when the TwitterMigration wave hit, they're all matured products.

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     Sim (0xsim@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:37:20 JST Sim

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     @youronlyone https://lemmy.sdf.org/c/karabin@karab.in works but https://sh.itjust.works/c/karabin@karab.in doesn't

     So it's not "lemmy can't see kbin, but kbin can see lemmy", I think it's more "both apps are not mature enough, instances and new users are popping non-stop since yesterday, and the fediverse isn't super straightforward"

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:40:54 JST Mastodon Migration

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     • Roomey

     @youronlyone @roomey @stux It seems like it u.fail is not really open for business yet. Expect it will be coming soon.

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:41:37 JST Mastodon Migration

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     • stux⚡
     • Roomey

     @youronlyone @roomey @stux Here is the list so far:

     kbin: https://fedia.io, https://kbin.social (pretty slammed ATM)

     Lemmy general interest: https://infosec.pub/signup, https://beehaw.org, https://sh.itjust.works/
     Lemmy tech interest: https://programming.dev/, https://discuss.tchncs.de/, https://lemmy.sdf.org
     Lemmy more: https://feddit.uk/ (UK), https://lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBT), https://midwest.social/communities (Midwest)
     Lemmy comprehensive list: https://join-lemmy.org/

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:45:14 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • DengueDucky

     @DengueDucky That is true for kbin.social, however, I tested on fedia.io. ^_^

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     DengueDucky (dengueducky@toot.community)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:45:15 JST DengueDucky

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     @youronlyone re: 1, I read that the issue is that kbin has enabled CloudFlare DDoS protection and that is interfering with federation. Hopefully that's sorted out soon.

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:55:23 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Liwott

     @liwott

     Hmm… there is something like this in Lemmy? https://fedia.io/microblog

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     Liwott (liwott@nerdica.net)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 02:55:25 JST Liwott

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     @youronlyone
     

     Lemmy instances are not seeing Kbin instances. So, no Kbin users, Kbin replies, etc.

     
     What do you mean? Looking at a kbin magazine from Lemmy seems fine : lemmy.ml/c/kbinMeta@kbin.socia…
     

     You won't see the fediverse on Lemmy. But in Kbin, you can see it through the “Microblog” tab/feature.

     
     Yo do see the fediverse. Seeing other Lemmy instances is already seeing the fediverse. Lemmy also sees Friendica forums, Peertube channels, ... The only limitation is that it only sees what's done inside a group.

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 11:30:09 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Sim

     @pixelpusher220 @0xSim Ah, yes, that is the very good point.

     Thank you for the reminder, much appreciated. ^_^

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     Pusher Of Pixels (pixelpusher220@universeodon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 11:30:10 JST Pusher Of Pixels

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     • Sim

     @youronlyone @0xSim I think I read that traffic loads may be partially to blame. Queues are backed up given the massive influx going on.

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 11:34:51 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     • Liwott

     @liwott But that was what I meant in my post that you quoted. ^_^

     If it was not clear, my apologies, explaining these things using a secondary language is not my strength.

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     Liwott (liwott@nerdica.net)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jun-2023 11:34:53 JST Liwott

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     @youronlyone
     No, as I said, it only shows what is inside a group, so no microblogs. But the Fediverse is not limited to microblogs
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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 12:15:45 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

     in reply to

     To add to this thread, for historical/tracking purposes:

     https://lemmy.world/comment/193148

     A Lemmy user can not reply to my reply made with a Kbin account from the Kbin instance readit.buzz.

     However, my reply syndicated on the lemmy.world fine. And his disconnected reply syndicated to readit.buzz fine.

     It could be, as others have pointed out, delays because there are a lot of federation requests. Or, it could very well be a bug, and in this case, it seems to be coming from Lemmy.

     Whichever is the case… just documenting it here for future reference.