Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:04:34 JST mcc

   Thinking about how everyone in the queer community has always kinda scoffed at and resented the "rainbow avatars for pride month" phenomenon, rainbow posters in the windows of banks etc, and it *is* a pretty hollow form of support, but now that we're *actually seeing corps get blowback for it* as the LGBT rights rollback proceeds in the US, it's like those useless rainbow avatars were actually providing a vague service as an early warning system. The horrible, cancerous canary in the coal mine

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:29 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     On the other hand how many employee lives should they sacrifice to the cause? Or should they require TSA screening to enter the store?
   • Embed this notice
     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:30 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     in reply to

     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @mcc I’m told by someone connect to Target’s DEI committee that it happened across the entire company. Over 800 products pulled from shelves and replaced with generic rainbow shit. Initially it was just two items, but then executives got bomb threats and they repealed five years worth of progress within the company, including the “Made by LGBTQ” branding program. You will not find a single product with T or Q in the store, any more.

     @cwebber @futurebird

   • Embed this notice
     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:31 JST mcc

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @twipped @cwebber @futurebird Did that actually happen? I couldn't tell if it was everywhere or just a couple locations:(

     Paul Cantrell repeated this.
   • Embed this notice
     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:32 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     in reply to

     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @mcc I actually snagged some pretty neat stuff before they yanked everything trans from shelves.

     @cwebber @futurebird

   • Embed this notice
     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:33 JST mcc

     in reply to

     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @cwebber @futurebird At least Target's weird Pride selection contained shirts I'd actually want to wear

     https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/731654947402551296

     "Unicorn Squad" "Unicorn Football" What on earth does Unicorn Football mean?! I don't know but at least that's the kind of inscrutable joke the gay community would actually make instead of the kind of inscrutable joke corporations make

   • Embed this notice
     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:34 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

     in reply to

     • myrmepropagandist

     @futurebird @mcc I was so mad when I went into walgreens last year and they were selling "rainbow disney" things and they didn't even say pride, just "rainbow"

     cowards

   • Embed this notice
     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 00:34:35 JST myrmepropagandist

     in reply to

     @mcc
     If you’re gonna put a rainbow flag on your business that is nice but to impress? Keep it up when it gets rough.

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 02:23:47 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     They will if it keeps escalating, that's the point.
     
     
     https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-violent-incidents-theft-ceo-brian-cornell/
   • Embed this notice
     Aaron Moshiashwili (amoshiashwili@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 02:23:52 JST Aaron Moshiashwili

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird @twipped how many employees have lost their lives because of this? I haven't heard that.

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 02:30:42 JST feld

     in reply to

     • myrmepropagandist
     Charge them with domestic terrorism and they'll stop. But nobody's doing that yet
   • Embed this notice
     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 02:30:44 JST myrmepropagandist

     in reply to

     • feld

     @feld

     But, the issue is these people cannot be appeased. Putting away the L and the Q means they will just focus on attacking the L, G and B. Then after those are gone they'll move on to kids toys that aren't "correctly" gendered... or want no trousers sold in the women's clothing section, or start demanding that everyone start their workday with a prayer for Jesus... There is no end. There is no bottom.

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 06:45:09 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     I'm providing you with information about the existing struggles that Target is going through. Adding this on top of it is a huge risk.
     
     Target is not a charity. Target is not your friend. Target is never going to be an ally.
     
     They are a corporation. They need to make sure their stores are not viewed as a dangerous place to shop. They have had an exceptionally bad financial quarter.
     
     Expecting anything more from them is crazy.
     
     https://www.marketwatch.com/story/targets-stock-sinks-toward-worst-day-since-black-monday-2022-05-18
   • Embed this notice
     Aaron Moshiashwili (amoshiashwili@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 06:45:10 JST Aaron Moshiashwili

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird @twipped So the thing that you said has never happened and as evidence it WILL happen you present an unsourced scare article about something else entirely.

     That's certainly a choice.

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 07:13:17 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     > okay, so you're not great at research
     
     Please share with me any additional data you have. I support the LGBTQ+ community. I just don't think relying on corporations to do our bidding will ever work. They want our money, that's all
   • Embed this notice
     Aaron Moshiashwili (amoshiashwili@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 07:13:18 JST Aaron Moshiashwili

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird @twipped okay, so you're not great at research but at least you seem to have a solid background in corporate or retail risk management. Could you tell me a little bit more about that?

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 07:22:45 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     And I don't know how to do that other than... organize a mass counter protest? But that's unlikely, people want their LIVE LAUGH LOVE pillows more than they want to be activists
   • Embed this notice
     Aaron Moshiashwili (amoshiashwili@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 07:22:47 JST Aaron Moshiashwili

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird @twipped you've finally said something I think is supportable.

     Yes. Corporations won't do the right thing unless we make it in their best interest.

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 08:39:05 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Legally Rylie Extra 🏳️‍⚧️✨
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     Fear is a powerful tool to wield. It can only work when the audience is uneducated on the issue though
   • Embed this notice
     Legally Rylie Extra 🏳️‍⚧️✨ (specialist_being_677@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 08:39:07 JST Legally Rylie Extra 🏳️‍⚧️✨

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili

     @twipped @amoshiashwili @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird yep. They have plenty of money. They have security for their products. They could easily hire security for their employees.

     (Did you see the video of the employee saying yep, she is a fan of LGBT and satanism?)

     All this did is show that violent threats work.

   • Embed this notice
     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Jun-2023 08:39:08 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili

     @amoshiashwili none. There were a few incidents of customers getting heated in stores, where the employees certainly felt unsafe, but I haven’t heard of any actual physical altercations.

     There are plenty of steps that could have been taken way before “nuke the inventory”
     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird

   • Embed this notice
     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:34:27 JST feld

     in reply to

     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist
     • Aaron Moshiashwili
     You still seem to think a good strategy is to bully a corporation into supporting your side of a culture war. This is not a winning strategy. I have stayed consistent on this point, but you just don't like my messaging.
     
     There needs to be a homegrown movement to create distribution channels for these products that do not rely on these corporations. This is how the movement succeeds.
   • Embed this notice
     Aaron Moshiashwili (amoshiashwili@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:34:28 JST Aaron Moshiashwili

     in reply to

     • feld
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • myrmepropagandist

     @feld @mcc @cwebber @futurebird @twipped you've come a really long way from the thing you initially said. Next time you should START with this rather than starting with something ridiculous and backing into it after people point out how dumb a statement it is.