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   GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 15:04:24 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

   Montana's drag ban was applied to a transgender person doing public speaking. No music, no dance, just a trans person and a podium. This is what they want. They want us to be removed from public life. This is identical to what Hitler did with the Nuremberg Laws. Eventually the punishment for us simply existing in public spaces will be jail time. If that makes you uncomfortable, please speak up to whomever will listen. Fixing this requires cis support.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:34:20 JST clacke

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     • James Bazán
     @JamesBazan I watched Ducktales when I grew up and I thought I got the pun, but until now I never knew it was a hairstyle.
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     James Bazán (jamesbazan@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:34:21 JST James Bazán

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     • Stuart Celarier

     @VisualStuart My sister Sylvia always said that in the 1950s our dad warned her, "Any man vain enough to style his hair in a ducktail is too self-absorbed to treat you well."

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     Stuart Celarier (visualstuart@pdx.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:34:22 JST Stuart Celarier

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     @GrayGooGirl
     "Good for me but not for thee."

     Rudi Guliani in drag in 2000, while mayor of NYC, with some political wannabe hack.

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     GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:37:59 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

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     • Zack Stern
     • Erica "digifox" Kovac 🌐⚛️⚡

     @zackstern
     It doesn't actually matter that they might not have been fined, the fear was enough for them to cancel, enough for them to say the risk wasn't worth it. To say a trans person's thoughts and expertise arent important enough to fight for.
     @digifox

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     GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:00 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

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     • Zack Stern
     • Erica "digifox" Kovac 🌐⚛️⚡

     @zackstern
     Yeah, the law is so ambiguously written that it could absolutely apply to any trans public speaker, because the ban includes all public property regardless of who the audience is. Again this is how it starts, by pretending that drag performers and trans people are the same thing, then using bans on the former to push the latter out of public life. Today is fear of reprisal over a speech given on public property, tomorrow it's simply existing in public spaces.
     @digifox

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     Zack Stern (zackstern@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:07 JST Zack Stern

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     • Erica "digifox" Kovac 🌐⚛️⚡

     @digifox @GrayGooGirl I’d like to read more at a source too. Maybe the post was about this, which isn’t quite how I understood the original post. https://newrepublic.com/post/173175/montana-library-cancels-trans-speaker-fear-punishment-anti-drag-law

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     Erica "digifox" Kovac 🌐⚛️⚡ (digifox@tech.lgbt)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:13 JST Erica "digifox" Kovac 🌐⚛️⚡

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     @GrayGooGirl do you have a news link?

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     huxley(fur) 🔜 DJ@Furcationland (huxley@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:21 JST huxley(fur) 🔜 DJ@Furcationland

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     • Sotolf

     @sotolf @GrayGooGirl this is exactly what happened to Megaplex https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/furries-beefing-ron-desantis-1234742107/amp/

     Based on the vagueness of the law they had to make the con 18+ rather than risk legal action

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     huxley(fur) 🔜 DJ@Furcationland (huxley@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:23 JST huxley(fur) 🔜 DJ@Furcationland

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     • Sotolf

     @sotolf @GrayGooGirl the laws are worded vaguely and the punishments are severe, so organizations cancel the events on their own rather than risk someone getting arrested. This is the intended result, where the law does not even need to be applied to have a chilling effect.

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     Sotolf (sotolf@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:23 JST Sotolf

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     • huxley(fur) 🔜 DJ@Furcationland

     @huxley @GrayGooGirl Wow, that's unbelievably shitty :/

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     Sotolf (sotolf@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:38:25 JST Sotolf

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     @GrayGooGirl Sorry if this is a stupid, but not being from the US I don't know the laws, isn't there a difference between drag, and what you wear normally, like if you're always wearing womens-/mens-clothes and then wearing it another day doesn't make it drag? I though drag was more performative than just the regular clothes you always wear.

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     James Bazán (jamesbazan@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:47:37 JST James Bazán

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     • clacke

     @clacke in the '50s & '60s it was colloquially called a "Duck's Ass." I'm actually not quite old enough to remember that first hand, but my sister was 15 years older than I. She told that story every time she saw a picture of Trump.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:49:16 JST clacke

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     • James Bazán
     @JamesBazan Trump's hairstyle is not 50s grease though, it's unique, like a reverse of that to look like a motorcycle helmet.
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     Ner 🕯️ (nershelam@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:57:38 JST Ner 🕯️

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     @GrayGooGirl
     I can mute if it's what I want. But what I want, is make people aware of the specific histories and that Nazism and the Holocaust is not an oppression scale but something we still live with. That it is not the only place where oppression is born of and to just be generally more aware of history and the oppressions in different countries.
     You can chose not to change what you say. That's your choice.
     My point is that's dangerous to have this discourse and they work on ignorance. You may disagree. But it's not by blocking that the existence of those discourse will disappear. It may change a bit if people are better aware of history.

     As to Germany before Nazism, yes despite having paragraph 175 from the german empire from before WW1 , Berlin specifically was the epicenter of queer life, with many underground bars linked to the mafia, but also publications Like drittes Geschlecht which is a transvestiten Magazin. There was also the Institut fur sexualwissenschaften that delivered medical proof of trans to be able to change sex and who performed surgerys. This was an archive of LGBT life. with 5 out of 6 doctors who were gay Jewish people and who build this. Again, that institute was burned down during an attack in Jewish intellectuals. And then Jewish LGBT people fled Germany early, I guess being at this intersection kind of saved the life of many who saw very fast which turns it was taking, and for example Charlotte Wolf who is among the first theoriser of bisexuality fled. Let's not forget how much queer history is linked to jewish people and history. And let's definitely not forget the lives of people at this specific intersection. Let's not whitewash that too. So yes, specifically the Nuremberg laws were racial segregation laws. And specifically official segregation laws were still in the US until the end of the 1960's if I am not mistaken. And yes specifically at the same time in the US there were also crossdressing bans. And yes oppressions are related but different, and also oppressive people from one country to another are related. But if you chose to look at Nazi Germany. You are using Nazism as a scale, and I think that is both dehumanizing for the victims (direct and indirect) who are still living and to the rights of the people living now and everywhere as it continues to avoid the accountability of all the other countries for the same oppressions and other oppressions.
     You may disagree with that.
     I just share my point and knowledge. But chosing to not look up at the history and specificities of oppressions of each group in each context does not make the truth regarding that less true. And equating the interdiction of crossdressing in mongana to the Nuremberg laws is factually false (and thus a dangerous discourse on many levels, including historic revisionism even with the best intentions is always adding noise) And saying that does not take anything away from the danger of trans life in Montana right now.

     Yes 300 people might share your views , it won't take anything away from that.

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     GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:57:39 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

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     • Ner 🕯️

     @Nershelam
     If you find what I've said disrespectful, you are more than welcome to mute or block me. I have no intention of changing what I've said or how I've said it. The end goal is the same, to force a specific group of people from public life, damage public support for them via state propaganda, and eventually to criminalize their existence. Also pre-Nazi Germany was the first places where GCS was attempted, his regime destroyed vital information regarding early trans medicine.

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     Ner 🕯️ (nershelam@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:57:40 JST Ner 🕯️

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     @GrayGooGirl
     It is identical to the ban of crossdressing in the US described in stone butch blues... So they existed during the Vietnam war in the US.

     No need to go to Nazi Germany for those stuff, no need to go take laws that have impacted in a far different order other communities ( including the people at the intersection of both, hey we exist !).
     Similar to laws in place in many many places of the world.
     No need to continue to wash a countries history and responsability nor to make like it's all from the past.

     That is both :
     - non effective
     - quite disrespectful

     The Nuremberg laws where segregation laws based on racism ( you know segregation like the thing that was abolished more recently than the end of Nazi Germany in different places ). And if still considering history, the gay and transphobic laws in Germany were there before Nazism and stayed after Nazism ( Paragraph 175).

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     GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:58:26 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

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     • Dragonkitty [chaotic purrfull]

     @Kuschelkatze
     The post is as it is, I don't intend to alter it. With a CW it would have been ignored like so many other posts saying the exact same thing. I don't intend to embrace self-censorship. Pretty sure the stonewall rioters wouldn't have put down their megaphones because someone might have been uncomfortable hearing what they had to say. As for not boosting it, I get it, if it will cause distress, it's your prerogative to not share it.

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     Dragonkitty [chaotic purrfull] (kuschelkatze@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:58:28 JST Dragonkitty [chaotic purrfull]

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     @GrayGooGirl can you add a CW so that I can boost this?

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     F4GRX Sébastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 02:58:30 JST F4GRX Sébastien

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     @GrayGooGirl You have my cis support and I do my best to spread awareness. I hope more and more people do.

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     Spinner (lane@dice.camp)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:01:10 JST Spinner

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     @GrayGooGirl

     I was married to a gender studies major, but I wasn't paying enough attention then. I've learned more about trans people since joining Mastodon than I ever did when I was with my ex.

     To paraphrase HRC, trans rights are human rights.

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     GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up: (graygoogirl@mstdn.games)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:30:21 JST GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

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     • m. libby
     • Zack Stern

     @mlibby @zackstern The library is actually owned by a non-profit but it does receive public funds (the law applies to any library that receives public funds). This is the board covering their own ass at the expense of trans folks. The law in question is so poorly written and so broad in scope that it's impossible to determine if the speaker would be in violation of it.

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     m. libby (mlibby@toot.cat)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:30:23 JST m. libby

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     • Zack Stern

     @zackstern @GrayGooGirl It's a public library, which makes this a state-backed action against a transgender person, doesn't it?

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     Zack Stern (zackstern@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:30:24 JST Zack Stern

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     @GrayGooGirl for sure it’s a mess and I’m concerned. I misunderstood your wording to be about some kind of state-backed action against a transgender person, but I can also read your post as the library canceling in advance. Same garbage result either way I guess.