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   lilli (lilli@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 11:50:50 JST lilli
   my weird Spinozism is so silly sounding like, yeah i assert in perfect confidence that there is a creator of all things absolutely infinite, singular, perfect, and incomparable, possessed of a mind and unlimited love, which one cannot but adore utterly and in whose nature it is the highest privilege to infinitesimally participate in, and yes i call that God. but this is Spinoza, the alleged prince of crypto-atheists! this is atheism!
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 11:50:48 JST georgia

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     @lilli @am bro thinks brahma is the supreme god
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     lilli (lilli@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 11:50:49 JST lilli

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     @am that's the pantheism vs panentheism debate in Spinoza!
     
     Spinoza refers to God as nature, but specifically *not* natura naturata, i.e. created nature; nothing that is created and has a body is God, nor are all such things together. rather, Spinoza posits that God is natura naturans, naturing nature, which is the process of creation by which the essence of God is constantly re-expressed. for Spinoza, natura naturata, of which we are all modes, exists not as God but in God, in natura naturans, which is the effective cause of all things and that which affords all things their essences, however inadequately they express them. the concept of understanding God as natura naturans is older than Spinoza and can be seen in a range of different theologians, including like, Aquinas. so imo it's kind of a stretch to refer to it as meaning "God is the universe," although plenty of people do, just as plenty of people think it means "there is no God"
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     ~am (am@decept.org)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 11:50:50 JST ~am

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     @lilli I thought the distinction was whether God was the universe or both outside it *and* is it
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:09:45 JST georgia

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     @pry @raz @am @lilli your friend is wrong. monist belief in many Gods representing one supreme God dates to the Rig Veda and identification of the brahman with a strictly singular atman/paramatma dates to the upanishads at least. The two largest streams in Hinduism since the Bhakti movement have been Vaishnavism and Shaivism, both which have supreme gods (vishnu and shiva respectively). There is not a single hindu tradition I can think of which isn't monist regarding the brahman.
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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:09:46 JST pry

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     @raz @georgia @am @lilli yea i asked my dad when my friend told me and he said that was some western bullshit trying to graft monotheism onto hinduism

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     raz@bungle.online's status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:09:53 JST raz

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     @pry@raru.re @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @am@decept.org @lilli@social.xenofem.me Hinduism seems to have like a lot of variety ime.

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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:09:54 JST pry

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     @raz @georgia @am @lilli as far as I'm aware no, BUT I have a Hindu friend who disagrees so idk.

     (I was raised hindu and was not taught about some Supreme god)

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     raz@bungle.online's status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:09:55 JST raz

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     @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @lilli@social.xenofem.me @am@decept.org is there even any supreme god in hinduism?

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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:12:11 JST georgia

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     @pry @am @lilli @raz It's not monotheism because they believe in many Gods (devas) but many do believe in one Supreme God.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 10:13:06 JST georgia

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     @raz @am @lilli @pry and the strands of hinduism get along so well too
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 12:53:34 JST georgia

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     @lilli @am In Hinduism God is seen not as the natural processes of creation but as the immanent and transcendent sole observer and enjoyer of those processes. There's a pretty exact quote from the bhagavad gita about this.
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     lilli (lilli@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 12:53:36 JST lilli

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     @georgia @am i lack any concept of what you mean or are implying by this
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 12:54:15 JST georgia

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     @lilli @am well, in Vaishnavism at least.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 12:55:10 JST georgia

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     @am @lilli I'll post it next time I read it.