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   Bob Jamieson (bobjmsn@mastodon.scot)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:47 JST Bob Jamieson

   This is the email address to complain about ID being introduced . Be awful if everybody used it.

   #ComplainAboutVoterID #elections #VoterID #VoteRigging #fascism

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     HarriettMB. (harriettmb@mastodon.ie)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:50 JST HarriettMB.

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     @kravietz @bobjmsn There are a lot of stories around about people who have been refused, and they were told their photographic ID was not valid; also people who are masking because of Covid have been refused. No accommodation made to allow them to remove their mask safely. That ID valid for one age group is not valid for another is completely ridiculous and speaks to gerrymandering. I also suspect there are some power hungry ID controllers in charge.

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:51 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @harriettmb

     I voted today, presented my driving license, why would be anyone refused admission when presenting a valid id?

     @bobjmsn

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     HarriettMB. (harriettmb@mastodon.ie)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:52 JST HarriettMB.

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     @bobjmsn @kravietz People are going to complain, hopefully in their thousands, as many with Photographic ID are being refused admission to the polling station. If they don’t even get in the door to see the electoral office, their attendance and refusal is not even registered. #gerrymandering #voterigging #ToryCriminalsUnfitToGovern

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:54 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @bobjmsn Why would you complain about requirement to present an identity document on elections?

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 10:12:56 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @harriettmb

     Have you seen the list of “photographic id” accepted for this election? I’m not at all surprised that votes struggle with picking the right document, and that poorly trained polling station personnel face issues with their validation:

     https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-need

     Especially these “Oyster 60+ card” and “disabled person’s bus pass” are ridiculous - I understand the idea behind it (these card subtypes likely require extra identity validation when being issued) but this is literally asking for trouble: people see “Oyster” but not realize only a very specific type of Oyster is accepted!

     A side note: having lived in the UK since 2013 I have experienced all the madness of “fuzzy identity verification”, meaning 50 different ways of establishing your identity to a government office, bank, recruiter, rental agency etc. As any EU citizen I’m used to having a single identity card that is the primary legal identity document in all EU countries, which must be recognized by any government or commercial entity (e.g. bank). On elections you there’s just two types of documents accepted: id card or passport, and obviously they can’t be rejected at the polling station.

     Therefore this mess, as many things in the UK, is 100% self-inflicted 🤷♂️

     @bobjmsn

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:29:41 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @enkiusz
     
     I have heard that argument but it's just as archaic as an English double water tap — it might make sense 100 years ago, but right now the government already maintains a dozen of databases for citizen data, for driver licenses, passports, national insurance, NHS, DWP etc, plus all the documents mentioned in the voting guidance.
     
     Yet, having no single authoritative id document linking all these results in every citizen forced to perform an utterly absurd and privacy-violating ritual of "fuzzy identity verification" each time they open a bank account, renting a car, an apartment, getting a job etc.
     
     The piles of highly sensitive documents such as your past address history, bank statements etc left at the mercy of each of these *private* companies are specifically to compensation for a single government identity document.
     
     The only pressure group that would be actually hurt by introduction of such id would be all the companies that aggregate this data for their commercial benefit such as Experian etc. Aggregate, and occasionally leak publicly due to poor data protection standards...
     
     #VoterId
     
     @harriettmb @bobjmsn
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     Enkiusz🇺🇦 (enkiusz@is-a.cat)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:29:43 JST Enkiusz🇺🇦

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     • HarriettMB.

     @kravietz @harriettmb @bobjmsn I once had this exact discussion on birdsite. I was told (by a British citizen) that ID cards are literally communism and government opression ...

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:03 JST clacke

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     • HarriettMB.

     @kravietz While this is all true, when you have a country where lots of people don't have a valid photo ID for their day-to-day life, requiring one for voting is voter suppression, plain and simple.

     Even in Sweden, where you need a photo ID to pick up a parcel at the post office, you don't need a photo ID if you show up on election day at your home election station with your voter card.

     @bobjmsn @harriettmb @enkiusz

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     ScepticalScot1 (scepticalscot1@mastodon.scot)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:05 JST ScepticalScot1

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     • HarriettMB.

     @kravietz @harriettmb @bobjmsn As we do not have a national identity card & unlike in some EU countries we are not obliged to carry id on is. Resistance to compulsory id cards came from organisations concerned with civil liberty. Voter fraud was not an issue in elections & there was no need for a photo id requirement. It is specifically designed to disenfranchise groups that dont vote Tory. Taken from Trump handbook

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:06 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @harriettmb
     
     I don't think it was deliberate — national identity document project in England was blocked a decade or so ago as result of "popular protests" (which I suspect were driven by stakeholders of Experian and similar companies).
     
     Electoral commission was handed a political #VoterId decision to implement the "photographic id verification", had to deal with whatever identity were available to them, and if they left out "Oyester 60+" etc they would immediately face accusations of "suppressing vote of seniors". They simply compiled the list of all identity documents available in a country without a single national identity document 🤷♂️
     
     @bobjmsn
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     HarriettMB. (harriettmb@mastodon.ie)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:07 JST HarriettMB.

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     @kravietz @bobjmsn I totally agree with you. We have had photographic ID for voting in NI for many years. It’s logical and sensible and does not have weird age-related exclusions. If you have not got one from the list, you can apply for a free one from the Electoral Office. They made it deliberately and unnecessarily complicated across the water.

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     Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK (vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:09 JST Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

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     @kravietz @harriettmb @bobjmsn @ScepticalScot1 I doubt protests were sponsored/encouraged by Experian or any other such private company, instead they would have jumped at the chance to work as contractors for the citizens database (which has got built by stealth anyway by linking DVLA, HMRC and DWP info). The way this was forgotten about in GB and then abruptly implemented (within a few months) favours drivers and older people, who are coincidentally more likely to vote Conservative

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:10 JST kravietz 🦇

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     • HarriettMB.

     @ScepticalScot1

     Nobody in the EU is “obliged to carry id”.

     That is unless you’re going to a rental agency or bank, in which case you obviously do carry your national id card, and that’s it.

     In the same situation in the UK you are obliged to carry two of a dozen accepted quasi-ids plus a heap of bank statements, utility bills and other documents to really prove you are you.

     I’m not sure which of these represents a larger violation of “civil liberties”…

     @harriettmb @bobjmsn

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:12 JST kravietz 🦇

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     • ScepticalScot1
     • HarriettMB.

     @vfrmedia

     There were numerous massive data leaks from Experian and other private data aggregators, because they operate on for-profit basis and privacy (they call it “non-functional requirement”) is the easiest one to save on (=increase profit).

     Right now they aggregate enormous amounts of highly sensitive data, which we are obliged to handle to them specifically because there’s no single national id in the UK.

     Whoever would implement the database, they would operate under government mandate and rules, which are much more strict about data protection.

     What I personally see even larger threat (as someone working in infosec) is that this sensitive data is passed to a network of rather obscure companies (rental, recruitment, financial, property etc) who are physically unable to properly handle and dispose of it, even if they wanted.

     Which is why when someone speaks of opposition to national id in order to “protect privacy” I open my eyes wide, as it’s having exactly opposite effect :)

     @harriettmb @bobjmsn @ScepticalScot1

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     johnnyforeign (johnnyforeign@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 01:39:15 JST johnnyforeign

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     @kravietz @bobjmsn I think that the issue is the choice of acceptable forms of ID - which seem to skew towards those held by older (read: more likely to be Tory) voters.
     This raises the suspicion that the government’s sudden desire to address “voter fraud” (an almost non existent problem) is really about making it hard for younger (read: less Tory) voters to vote.

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     Enkiusz🇺🇦 (enkiusz@is-a.cat)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 18:56:25 JST Enkiusz🇺🇦

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     @clacke @kravietz @bobjmsn @harriettmb
     Of course, in Poland everyone has photo ID as it's needed in many situations.
     I think the UK would be better off if they moved towards universal photo ID as well but having voting as one of the first places where photo ID is required is a massive stink. Especially when everyone and their dog can see that the Tory party is not doing well in the polls.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 18:59:59 JST clacke

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     @kravietz What is deliberate is requiring a photo ID in a country where that is a complicated thing to require.

     Making it deliberately and unnecessarily complicated to vote ... against the Tories.

     @bobjmsn @harriettmb

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     HarriettMB. (harriettmb@mastodon.ie)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 19:09:54 JST HarriettMB.

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     @bobjmsn @clacke @kravietz
     It may have backfired, as #Tories lost over 1K seats in local elections yesterday! between the restrictions on Voter ID and their generally impoverishing and repellant policies they got #karma

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