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   Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:53 JST Bam

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   @thetitanborn @mekkaokereke I keep hoping that Mastodon becomes the new home of Black Twitter.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:40 JST feld

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     SA does a great job at community management and the $20 :20bux: barrier to entry works
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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:41 JST Bam

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     @andy_twosticks @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn Well, welcome to the internet, where you don’t get to know every decision every webmaster or their staff makes. I don’t know what to tell you other than, if you find your moderation utopia, be sure to let the rest of us know.

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     🌮 Dave Millar 🌮 (dave@puz.fun)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:41 JST 🌮 Dave Millar 🌮

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     @Bam @andy_twosticks @mekkaokereke @thetitanborn it might be unrealistic to implement for Mastodon, but I kinda liked the way the forums at Something Awful had a user 'rap sheet' showing the history of suspensions and bans per user and the name of the moderator and their reason for taking action.

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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:43 JST Bam

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     @andy_twosticks @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn

     Then, there’s your answer. Start an instance that is. Mastodon is merely the platform. Individual instances set their own policies. If one doesn’t do what you like, you can create your own and implement whatever policy you like.

     And it isn’t hiding in a cave. You can federate your own instance with any other instance you choose that is willing to federate with you. That’s the beauty of decentralization.

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     Andy Jones (andy_twosticks@ruby.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:43 JST Andy Jones

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     @Bam @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn Well, no. Not what I meant.

     I'd like *all* Mastodon users to have the option of seeing what their moderators are doing. I don't need to fix it for me, and fixing it just for me would solve nothing.

     Also: if I run my own instance, of course I know what the moderator is doing! He's me!

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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:45 JST Bam

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     @andy_twosticks @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn

     There is an answer in my response if you want to ensure it: Run your own single-user instance.

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     Andy Jones (andy_twosticks@ruby.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:45 JST Andy Jones

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     @Bam @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn Well. Yeeeees. But.

     Technically that's an answer in the same way that "hide in a cave" is an answer to "how can I know who to trust?"

     I'm sure most mods on instances that are not obviously problematic are fine. I have in the past had one (1) interaction with a mod (not here) that was problematic. I'd ideally like Mastodon to make moderation more transparent to other instance users…

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     Andy Jones (andy_twosticks@ruby.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:46 JST Andy Jones

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     @Bam @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn Well, that's not an answer to the problem.

     "How do I know if it's safe to cross the road here?"
     "It's not safe to cross the road over there!"

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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:47 JST Bam

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     @andy_twosticks @mekkaokereke @dave @thetitanborn How do you know there are Twitter trust and safety that aren’t? Or Facebook trust and safety that aren’t?

     Here you can pick an instance with admins you know or trust to do what is right. And if you can’t, you can create your own and mod it for yourself. There, you don’t have any of those options.

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     Andy Jones (andy_twosticks@ruby.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:48 JST Andy Jones

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     @mekkaokereke @dave @Bam @thetitanborn The one thing that worries me about the Fediverse* – how do you know if your mods are misbehaving?

     * There are people ON the fediverse that worry me. Different thing.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:49 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @dave @Bam @thetitanborn

     1) Don't ask Black users to CW discussions of their own racism.

     2) Don't be on a server where mods mistreat Black folk.

     3) Support the mods on your own server, financially and otherwise.

     4) Don't engage with sea lions that say "Mistreatment? Here? prove it!" There have been enough threads shared on Black folk receiving racism. Individually convincing each one is exhausting, and expecting that is a tactic of bad faith actors.

     clacke and clacke@libranet.de is my main like this.
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     🌮 Dave Millar 🌮 (dave@puz.fun)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:50 JST 🌮 Dave Millar 🌮

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     @mekkaokereke @Bam @thetitanborn any specific things allies can do to help? My brain jumped to helping finance and support primarily black or BIPOC instances but I’m a bit sheltered/privileged and there’s bound to be a lot I’m missing.

     clacke, carl marks and clacke@libranet.de is my main repeated this.
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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:51 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @Bam @thetitanborn It's fascinating to see that about half of the replies to @thetitanborn 's post, are cringe-worthy forms of "I haven't seen any problems for Black users / your post is unnecessary / we don't see race here."

     So yeah... there's work to do.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 02:27:52 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     Same. To be honest, I'm trying to do more than hope. I'm willing to be here while many parts of it are not yet great for Black users, and work with all the awesome folks that are making it better.♥️👍🏿

     I'm following in the footsteps of the Black Mastodon users that have been here for years, who started when it was much less welcoming than what I experienced, so that hopefully the Black folk that join after me, will have an even easier time than me.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:42 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @dave @lewriley @Bam @thetitanborn If there's a police shooting and there is a video? I put a CW around that. I also put CWs around topics like disordered eating, etc.

     But I experience racism almost every day, as do most Black US citizens. I'm not going to start every other sentence with "CW" just to make y'all feel better.

     Hiding racism to protect white feelings is just more racism. I won't do it. I do respect folks' right to Block me for that. 👍🏿

     Alexandre Oliva, goatsarah and clacke@libranet.de is my main like this.
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     🌮 Dave Millar 🌮 (dave@puz.fun)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:43 JST 🌮 Dave Millar 🌮

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     @mekkaokereke @lewriley @Bam @thetitanborn that’s fucked, I’m sorry to hear that that kind of behavior is going unaddressed.
     Re: CWs, I think a lot of folks feel like it’s a blanket to hide the less savory parts of life from people with trauma. Upon some reflection, this scenario reminds me of a phrase used in talking about police and racist Karen interactions: that it’s there to minimize white discomfort.

     clacke@libranet.de is my main repeated this.
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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:44 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @lewriley @dave @Bam @thetitanborn Right now, a bunch of white Mastodon users are thinking "Racist snuff images? OMG!!! I didn't know it was that bad! This is awful!"

     But a bunch of other white Mastodon users are thinking, "He really should have put mentions of (his own) death threats behind a Content Warning. And... he seems to have moved servers? So what's the problem? Why is he still saying bad things about his old server?"

     🙂🙃

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:45 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @lewriley @dave @Bam @thetitanborn

     My issue is not with N*zis. Trash people and sociopaths will always exist.

     My issue is with the violence inherent in insufficient moderation coupled with a "use CW!" culture that denies the self reflection that would allow Mastodon users to realize that outside of 4ch*n, many Black users' *worst online experience ever*, was on Mastodon.

     If you don't follow Black users and listen to them, you would never know this.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:46 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @lewriley @dave @Bam @thetitanborn
     An instance like mastodon.cloud can say that they don't tolerate N*zis in their "server rules."

     But the reality is, a Black user on that server can receive racist death threats complete with snuff images and video of Black folks and women being killed. Flagging for moderation did nothing. The Black person leaving that instance and warning other Black users to choose a better 1st server, gets the Black user blocked.🤡

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:47 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @lewriley @dave @Bam @thetitanborn

     The best way today, is to follow a bunch of Black users and see their experience. As I've pointed out this is very insufficient, as it means that many Black users experience N*zis first, then move to a better server.

     I've been online for many years, so I'm used to N*zis and their death threats. But for many Black users, this experience is jarring.
     
     Worse than the N*zis, is the "regular users."

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/109388611222845153

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     Lew Riley (lewriley@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 08:29:48 JST Lew Riley

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     @mekkaokereke @dave @Bam @thetitanborn I very much appreciate your openness about the challenges here, and I want to do my part to build a community here consistent with my values. This includes not placing the burden of building and protecting the community on members of marginalized groups that are being mistreated. Are there ways as an end user (beyond reading the server rules) for me to evaluate the quality of moderation of an instance? I'm new and building my fediverse toolkit.