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    FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:33:40 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!

    The official Mastodon app is doing something new which is potentially very dangerous to the existence of Mastodon and the Fediverse.

    The official Mastodon app now prompts users to join mastodon.social by default, when previously it prompted them to pick a server. If you're new this may sound harmless, but let me explain.

    The entire point of this place is to be a social network spread out on as many servers as possible (the reasons are here: https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers/).

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    In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:33:40 JST from mstdn.social permalink

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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:05 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      There is technically still an option on the official app to "pick my own server", but it's much harder to read or notice, and new users will probably click the mastodon.social button without even thinking about the other button.

      Mastodon.social just passed 1 million registered users about a week ago, out of a total network of approx 7 to 11 million users (dependiing on how you count them).

      The official app is by far the most commonly used way to sign up on Mastodon and the Fediverse.

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      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:05 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:27 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      For the first time ever, the most common way to sign up on the Fediverse is now directing people to sign up on one specific server, rather than making them choose.

      This will make mastodon.social grow even more quickly than it has before, and future waves of new people may end up mostly there. It's very plausible this one server could become the majority of the Fediverse in the near future.

      If that happens, the Fediverse would no longer be protected from buyouts by nasty people.

      (3/6)

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:27 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:32 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      Yes, signing up on one server is much easier for people who are used to centralised services like Twitter, Facebook etc.

      But as we have seen from Twitter, such a setup leaves you at the mercy of Musk-type takeovers. For-profit social networks do not like federation, they hate it as they see it as competition. It is very likely that a commercial takeover of a majority server would defederate it, to prevent people leaving and simplify its maintenance.

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      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:34:32 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:35:10 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      • Eugen Rochko

      This is not an attack on Eugen, I don't do those. Most of what @Gargron does is amazing, the Fedi owes him a great deal, and the fact he turned down large sums of VC money recently shows great integrity.

      But eventually most people in that position will crack. Ever larger sums of money can make even the nicest people sell out.

      If most of the Fediverse is on mastodon.social, it WILL receive more takeover bids. If it grows even further, these bids will become even higher.

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      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:35:10 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:35:28 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      So, what can be done?

      1. Tell new people to use third party apps, they are better anyway and have more features. More info at https://fedi.tips/which-apps-can-i-use-should-i-use-the-official-app-or-a-third-party-app/

      2. Tell people to sign up on the website. Mastodon's official site at https://joinmastodon.org is still asking people to choose a server, and is very professionally laid out. (I've also got my own amateurish effort at https://fedi.garden.)

      3. If you're comfortable using github, give a thumbs up at https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon-ios/issues/1023

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      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 06:35:28 JST permalink

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      1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fedi.garden
        Fedi.Garden
        from puutarhamestari
        Highlighting nice servers on Mastodon and the Fediverse
      2. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fedi.tips
        Which Mastodon apps can I use? Should I use the official app or a third party app?
        from FediTips
        An unofficial guide to using Mastodon and the Fediverse

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      Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 07:07:42 JST Kevin Karhan :verified: Kevin Karhan :verified:
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      • Tusky
      • F-Droid
      • Mariotaku

      @feditips Personally I can recommend @Tusky as client for #Mastodon on #Android since it's also available on @fdroidorg.

      It really comes close to the ancient #TweetDeck #mobile app and @mariotaku's #Twidere...

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 07:07:42 JST permalink
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      expertmanofficial@mstdn.social's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 07:08:28 JST expertmanofficial expertmanofficial
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      @feditips Just did what you said. That sucks.

      Commented on your GitHub issue:

      https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon-ios/issues/1023#issuecomment-1517000800

      (why your account is named "FediVideos" instead of "FediTips" or "FediThing", like your personal account linked in your profile?)

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 07:08:28 JST permalink
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      June Blender (juneb@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:14:33 JST June Blender June Blender
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      @feditips One great solution would be a rotating server suggestion based on a dynamic independent list of open servers. Users would get their easy choice, but they'd be distributed. Should be really easy to implement.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:14:33 JST permalink
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      DemocracySpot (democracyspot@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:15:57 JST DemocracySpot DemocracySpot
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      • LAUREN

      @feditips

      @noondlyt insurance you'll see this.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:15:57 JST permalink
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      stux⚡ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:27:38 JST stux⚡ stux⚡
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      @feditips I also saw this indeed

      And only thing I wondered was..

      Why…

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:27:38 JST permalink
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      yoshimitsu@mstdn.social's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:43:32 JST yoshimitsu yoshimitsu
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      @feditips This is a good thing!!! One of the biggest complaints of new users is how confusing it is to pick a server. There should be one, or a handful, of "official" servers that people can join and expect to receive the "standard" mastodon experience.
      Anyone who is against this is detrimental to the platform as a whole. They are the people who would be fired from their jobs due to incompetence, which is why their "input" only gains traction in free technologies.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 09:43:32 JST permalink
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      yoshimitsu@mstdn.social's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 15:34:42 JST yoshimitsu yoshimitsu
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      @feditips Never gonna forget getting banned from my first Mastodon instance, which was on the recommendations page, for calling out scammers begging for money.
      I'm just gonna say it: never donate to anyone on Mastodon.
      The overwhelming majority of beggars are just scammers trying to take advantage of people's good will. It's a shame because this ruins it for the 1% of honest cases, but that's what we get for living in a scam society.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 15:34:42 JST permalink
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      Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈 (fabiscafe@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 19:10:43 JST Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈 Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈
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      @feditips And expected change. That you where forced to choose a server was one of the biggest painpoints in the signup process. So I'm relatively happy that there is a default in place.

      However, yes this creates another drawback as you told here. Hmm

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 19:10:43 JST permalink
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      Mr. Bruno :verified: (mrbruno@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 20:12:48 JST Mr. Bruno :verified: Mr. Bruno :verified:
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      @feditips To be fair, it's confusing and intimidating to new users. It's presumptuous to believe they just know what server to join.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 20:12:48 JST permalink
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      lentrichard@mstdn.social's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 23:03:27 JST lentrichard lentrichard
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      @feditips Agreed, this is a bad thing. Please don’t do it.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 23:03:27 JST permalink
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      Tom Veneny :verialt: (tomasveneny@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 23:12:56 JST Tom Veneny :verialt: Tom Veneny :verialt:
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      @feditips No surprise at all.

      I was banned there (by german mod) because I made comment about global warming with link to wikipedia.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Apr-2023 23:12:56 JST permalink
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      Marvin Nevarez (stoic@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 00:20:54 JST Marvin Nevarez Marvin Nevarez
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      @feditips or just randomly generated server presented as option.

      In conversation Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 00:20:54 JST permalink
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      J.M. Bond (jmbond01@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 17:02:55 JST J.M. Bond J.M. Bond
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      @feditips I'll be perfectly honest with you, I get what you're saying but as a new user I wish this was there for me. It was very confusing when I first signed up to the point I almost gave up on it. I picked Social because all the big names seemed to be here & I didn't understand how the system works with other servers.

      There needs to be more focus to explain the system & simplify the process or people are going to move past Mastodon. Just my two cents as a newbie, I could be wrong.

      In conversation Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 17:02:55 JST permalink
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      David Slifka (davidslifka@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:45 JST David Slifka David Slifka
      in reply to
      • Dimitris Kardarakos
      • Spread Mastodon

      @dimitrisk @feditips @spreadmastodon Here's some background on our thinking behind that decision.

      https://medium.com/@davidslifka_86286/how-to-decentralize-social-media-6ae35a49ac46

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:45 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:45 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      • Dimitris Kardarakos
      • David Slifka
      • Spread Mastodon

      @davidslifka @dimitrisk @spreadmastodon

      I'm sorry, but with all due respect, that "Growing the bars" chart is incredibly misleading. I don't know whether you are doing this deliberately or accidentally, but it's a terrible approach.

      Presenting promotion of mastodon.social as equivalent to promoting Mastodon is just "fediwashing".

      Asking people to choose a server is a goal in itself. It makes them aware of the issues involved. Skipping that step is missing the point completely.

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:45 JST permalink
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      Dimitris Kardarakos (dimitrisk@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:46 JST Dimitris Kardarakos Dimitris Kardarakos
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      • Spread Mastodon

      @feditips Unfortunately, the same pro-centralization approach has been adopted by the @spreadmastodon campaigners.

      https://floss.social/@dimitrisk/110247540562264634

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:34:46 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:35:49 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      • Dimitris Kardarakos
      • David Slifka
      • Spread Mastodon

      @davidslifka @dimitrisk @spreadmastodon

      It would be like an environmental group deciding that lifestyle changes are putting people off the environmental cause, so they drop the lifestyle changes and decide to just "greenwash" what they're doing already.

      You're using the same "let's get the supporters up, damn the cause" logic.

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:35:49 JST permalink
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:41:51 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      • Dimitris Kardarakos
      • David Slifka
      • Spread Mastodon

      @davidslifka @dimitrisk @spreadmastodon

      Yes some servers will let you down, but that's why it's important to use curated lists and not just choose something at random. (I've tried to start my own at https://fedi.garden and there's nothing to stop others doing the same.)

      Your suggestion is like saying we should all eat at McDonalds because it has the most consistent standards, and independent restaurants might give you food poisoning.

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:41:51 JST permalink

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      1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fedi.garden
        Fedi.Garden
        from puutarhamestari
        Highlighting nice servers on Mastodon and the Fediverse
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:48:05 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      • Dimitris Kardarakos
      • David Slifka
      • Spread Mastodon

      @davidslifka @dimitrisk @spreadmastodon

      Also "If we reach a point where undue centralization became an issue, or seemed even foreseeable to become an issue,"

      Undue centralisation is very foreseeable now.

      Mastodon.social currently has about 14% of the Fediverse both by raw numbers and MAU.

      If there is another wave on a similar scale to last November, that could push mastodon.social over 50%.

      Why?

      Because this time round the official app is telling everyone to just sign up on m.s

      In conversation Tuesday, 25-Apr-2023 06:48:05 JST permalink

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