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   clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:44:29 JST clacke

   Does your English distinguish "noose" and "news"? If you listen to yourself say them, can you hear which one is which?

   Where is your English from?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:50:37 JST clacke

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     English is my second language so I don't have one English, I have several depending on my conversation partner.

     In my workplace I use Swedish-American-Cantonese-French English (in that order of influence) and I think I don't have the split.

     If I speak with a person from the British Isles I probably switch to a more Swedish-English-American English and I do have the split.

     (where American means Caliyorkian and English means BBC)

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     Mans R (mansr@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:50:38 JST Mans R

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     @clacke Where is my English from? That's a question I don't know how to answer.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:51:10 JST clacke

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     • Mans R
     @mansr Feel free to take inspiration from my answer to myself at libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-8… =)
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     penguin42 (penguin42@mastodon.org.uk)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:52:30 JST penguin42

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     @clacke Yes, UK Manchester. (Well, actually we've got lots of microdialects around here, so hmm yes, still that's about right)

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:52:45 JST clacke

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     • penguin42
     @penguin42 Do you think the full range of British Isles and vicinity accents have the split? From the Hebrides to Dublin to Cornwall?
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     التنينوكس (dragnucs@social.touha.me)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:54:21 JST التنينوكس

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     @clacke I can tell the difference. My English comes from YouTube, movies and school, then a select anime when I was learning.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:58:15 JST clacke

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     • التنينوكس
     @dragnucs Do you believe your English to be more American than e.g. British or Australian? Is there a tendency toward one direction or the other when your fellow countrypeople speak English?
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     التنينوكس (dragnucs@social.touha.me)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:58:16 JST التنينوكس

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     @clacke I am not a native English speaker.

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     James Valleroy (jvalleroy@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:58:17 JST James Valleroy

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     @clacke Yes, "noose" is a short duration sound, while "news" is more drawn out. (US midwest)

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:58:17 JST clacke

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     • James Valleroy
     @jvalleroy Oh! Interesting. I hadn't considered that, I was thinking the nuance would be in the vowel quality only.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:00:44 JST clacke

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     • Babylon
     @promiscuity Which one is like that? What's the other one like?
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     Babylon (promiscuity@slippy.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:00:45 JST Babylon

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     @clacke@libranet.de
     Nuice, like juice.

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     Daniel Barlow (dan@brvt.telent.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:00:47 JST Daniel Barlow

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     @clacke forgot to specify: my dialect of English is from England

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     Daniel Barlow (dan@brvt.telent.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:00:48 JST Daniel Barlow

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     @clacke in my dialect “noose” has an “s” sound like in “seven” but “news” has a “z” sound like in “zachary”.

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     hydra & dragons & leah, oh my! (thamesynne@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:03:36 JST hydra & dragons & leah, oh my!

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     @clacke @penguin42 i can say first hand that that isn't the case (see elsewhere)

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     hydra & dragons & leah, oh my! (thamesynne@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:03:37 JST hydra & dragons & leah, oh my!

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     @clacke yes for myself, more or less received pronounciation. and yes for where i have lived for the last three decades (all over Yorkshire)

     but i grew up in North West Norfolk, and the accent there (uncommonly for an English accent) rhymes "news" with "booze".

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:08:39 JST clacke

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     @thamesynne Cool, so the vowel rhymes. My impression of English English is that that's indeed unusual.

     Other native speakers have come at me with the s/z split, which I wasn't prepared for at all. Does northwest Norfolk have a nooze vs noose split that would still allow you to distinguish them?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:26:43 JST clacke

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     The prompt for this was Al Franken's talk about the ex Vice President being in the ... news.

     I'll have to listen again, I could barely hear the difference in vowel quality and was greatly helped by the subtitles. Most of the audience in the studio seemed to catch the nuance right away.

     farside.link/invidious/watch?v…

     www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQGyk…

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:26:44 JST clacke

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     • James Valleroy

     @jvalleroy Does your area say "roof" with the same vowel length as "rough"?

     I think of that as a Canadian feature. Am I mixing things up, or are you in the northern midwest and there are some shared features?

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     Babylon (promiscuity@slippy.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:26:47 JST Babylon

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     @clacke@libranet.de
     I kind of would prefer to keep my accent private but people here pronounce things weird for sure.
     
     Hmm... noose, like loose, so that one seems the same.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:26:47 JST clacke

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     @mdhughes Oh wow, loose vs lose! Thank you for educating me. I probably say them the same and don't pick up on the difference when a native speaker says them.
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     Digital Mark λ 📚 🕹 💾 🥃 (mdhughes@appdot.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:26:49 JST Digital Mark λ 📚 🕹 💾 🥃

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     @clacke Of course:
     noose is n oooh s, rhymes with loose (not tight).
     news is n oo z, rhymes with lose (not win).

     … English is a very smart language.

     And I'm from PNW US.

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     Luke (luke@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 05:30:05 JST Luke

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     @clacke yeah very different sounds. London English

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     التنينوكس (dragnucs@social.touha.me)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:15:57 JST التنينوكس

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     @clacke I think I tend more to USA English than British one, but since I am a pronunciation nerd, I do use some aspects of RP or regular British English to make words more distinguishable. Defenitly no Australian tendency. For us, non natives, we will natuarly tend to the variation with most content like YouTube and movies.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:24:13 JST clacke

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     Ok, Al Franken says (03:36) /nyuz/ for news and /nus/ for noose. There's a slight difference to the vowel too, news /u/ is a teensy bit further to the front.
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     Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora: (conan_kudo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 12:31:04 JST Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

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     @clacke I say it like /nuz/ for "news" and /nus/ for "noose" myself. It's a very subtle difference, indeed.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 12:31:54 JST clacke

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     • Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:
     @Conan_Kudo Is that east coast US English?
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     Ed Davies (edavies@functional.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 12:32:06 JST Ed Davies

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     @clacke Yes, very different. “news” is longer for me and has some sort of transition in the vowel sound from “e” to ”w” with the “w” pronounced as a slightly draw-out “u” (well, it is a double-u, isn't it).

     North east London but closer to RP than most of the people from around there.

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     Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora: (conan_kudo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 12:40:57 JST Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

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     @clacke Not sure. My formative years were in the midwest. But the east coast is weird with accents...

     There are a lot of people here who say it the same way I do too.

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     mpjgregoire@mamot.fr's status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 13:51:23 JST mpjgregoire

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     @clacke Yes, English Canada. The major difference is not the vowel, but whether the final consonant sound like an s or a z.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 13:53:31 JST clacke

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     @me @mpjgregoire So there is *some* difference in the vowel? Everywhere in Canada?
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     me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 13:53:34 JST me

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     • mpjgregoire
     @mpjgregoire @clacke Fellow Canadian can confirm.
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     chiasm (chiasm@venera.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Apr-2023 21:39:29 JST chiasm

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     @clacke noos and nooz. midAtlantic American English.
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