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   [laughing, snarling] (checkervest@laserdisc.party)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 22:40:16 JST [laughing, snarling]

   this weekend mom went to a friend's church and came back and told me that the church had apple juice (???) for communion and for someone who hasn't been religious in a very long time and has no skin in the game I experienced some Very Strong Emotions

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     [laughing, snarling] (checkervest@laserdisc.party)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 22:42:04 JST [laughing, snarling]

     • silverwizard

     @silverwizard okay but look. grape juice is right there.

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 23:17:05 JST hypolite

     • silverwizard
     @silverwizard What’s the bad association with grapes?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:04:02 JST GNU Too
     @checkervest my guess would be the pastor, or someone else in the congregation, is a recovering alcoholic.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:05:38 JST GNU Too

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     • GNU Too
     @gnu2 I'm Catholic. The pastor at my old parish used alcohol-free wine for the concecration as he was an AA.
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     andy (andy@friendica.hubup.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:08:17 JST andy

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     • hypolite

     @hypolite I've seen it before myself, sadly. I think Silverwizard was precisely hinting at this.

     I find this rather alienating from my own upbringing, where drinks were a normal social affair to be enjoyed in moderation in communal or family settings.

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     andy (andy@friendica.hubup.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:08:19 JST andy

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     • hypolite
     @hypolite I absolutely agree with the practical and sensible step of having grape juice! But I wouldn't be surprised that some people will take this to an absurd level and create dogmas where alcohol is seen as bad per se and even grapes themselves are already the first step away from their imaginary path of rigorousness.
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:08:19 JST hypolite

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     • andy
     @andy Unfortunately, I believe you're right ?
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:08:20 JST hypolite

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     • andy
     @andy I can definitely see the issue with providing alcohol to potential alcoholics, but I was under the impression from earlier in the conversation that flat grape juice was also problematic.
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     andy (andy@friendica.hubup.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:08:21 JST andy
     Wine and drunkenness

     
     Unfortunately, this is the legacy of puritanism that has a resulted in an unhealthy preoccupation and condemnation of alcohol.

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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 00:22:46 JST GNU Too

     • silverwizard
     @silverwizard sounds pretty uncommon to me, especially since the vast majority of Indian Christians are Catholic.