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   clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:45 JST clacke
   Do you personally find any important difference for your use between Kibana and Grafana? Which one do you prefer? (potentially depending on use case)
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:41 JST clacke

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     • Stefan Midjich ꙮ҄
     @stemid A lot happens in ten years when you have software with diverging visions. =)
     
     libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-1…
     
     Kudos for Kibana staying focused on being an Elastic frontend. Maybe the existence of Grafana helped keep them on track.
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     Stefan Midjich ꙮ҄ (stemid@mastodon.se)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:42 JST Stefan Midjich ꙮ҄

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     @clacke I think you're mistaken. I used kibana pretty much up until I switched to Grafana and I don't see how they could be a fork of each other.

     btw, personal preference is grafana. but that's also because they have a whole open source ecosystem for observability. At work we use Loki, OpenTelemetry and Grafana, all Grafana labs products.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:44 JST clacke

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     I've been too lazy to look up why the Kibana/Grafana fork happened. Does anyone have a good summary?
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:50 JST clacke

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     • Sven
     @sumh I don't think you posted that in the conversation you intended. =)
     
     Sounds cool though! I think /e/ is seeing a lot more development than Ubuntu Touch?
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     Sven (sumh@social.ellih.eu)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:57 JST Sven

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     @clacke I will give /e/OS a try on on my #Fairphone4 . Then I will replace #UbuntuTouch. #eOS
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     التنينوكس (dragnucs@social.touha.me)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:03:59 JST التنينوكس

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     • :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave:

     @selea @clacke https://grafana.com/blog/2019/09/03/the-mostly-complete-history-of-grafana-ux/

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     التنينوكس (dragnucs@social.touha.me)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:00 JST التنينوكس

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     • :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave:

     @selea @clacke never even tought they were forks. They are very different.

     clacke repeated this.
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     :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave: (selea@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:01 JST :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave:

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     @clacke

     Grafana is a fork of kibana? Did not know, they feel so different...

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     :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave: (selea@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:02 JST :debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :sunwave:

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     @clacke

     What fork?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:05 JST clacke

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     • التنينوكس
     @dragnucs Great read! Thanks!
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:17 JST clacke

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     And now I'm goimg down the rabbit hole of looking at what's the difference between Graphite, InfluxDb, ...
     
     I played a lot with Nagios and RRDTool and glanced at Cacti at the end of last millennium, and played a little bit with Prometheus the other year, and to me these all seem like basically RRDTool on steroids.
     
     I'm not saying they're not an improvement, it's not a bad thing to be RRDTool on steroids, but the hype seems to be saying that everything is brand new when everything is iterative improvement on solid concepts.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 19:04:18 JST clacke

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     And now I'm going down the rabbit hole of looking at what's the difference between Graphite, InfluxDb, ...
     
     I played a lot with Nagios and RRDTool and glanced at Cacti at the end of last millennium, and played a little bit with Prometheus the other year, and to me these all seem like basically RRDTool on steroids.
     
     I'm not saying they're not an improvement, it's not a bad thing to be RRDTool on steroids, but the hype seems to be saying that everything is brand new when everything is iterative improvement on solid concepts.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:57:09 JST clacke

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     • frox
     @frox I really appreciated how easy Prometheus was to set up. Add a plugin to our flask application, point Prometheus at the metrics endpoint, boom, colorful graphs.
     
     Definitely light on resources.
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     frox@tooting.ch's status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:57:10 JST frox

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     @clacke ooooh, I want to know how your explorations go.
     I wanted to deploy a stack to monitor some small selfhosted servers of mine. And was hoping to avoid anything that was overly heavy on resources. Collectd, influxdb and grafana seemed like an option from my browsing

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     lefarfadet (lefarfadet@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 11-Mar-2023 00:35:33 JST lefarfadet

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     @clacke
     For me, grafana helps to merge various datasources under one single dashboard. From what i've seen in the wild, in kibana you can only query elasticSearch. With grafana, it's easier to mix data sources. I found also that setting up a dashboard in grafana is somehow easoer than in kibana. I prefer grafana because you can aggregate mysql, elasticsearch and whatnot

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 11-Mar-2023 00:35:33 JST clacke

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     • lefarfadet
     @lefarfadet Yeah, after being less lazy and doing my research I learned that this is basically the difference, that Kibana has a much more specific use case of being an Elastic dashboard and Grafana is the Swiss knife.