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   Qagggy :bt: (qag@social.ridetrans.it)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:28:55 JST Qagggy :bt:

   This protest against 15-minute cities is truly, TRULY the stupidest thing ever. I don't like to insult a person's intelligence but there is no intelligence here to insult.
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   RT @davidrvetter
   Some stickers and signage from the protests. A large proportion equate 15-minute cities to slavery and talk about the WEF. #oxford #ltn
   https://twitter.com/davidrvetter/status/1626976939796795393

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:28:45 JST pettter

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     • Charlie Stross
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @cstross @eyrea @dampscot @qag Any forests or parks?

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     eyrea (eyrea@mstdn.ca)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:28:46 JST eyrea

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     • Charlie Stross
     • Colin Speirs

     @dampscot @qag @cstross It seems to partly be because they can't big-picture. I live in a 15 minute neighbourhood, and my suburban acquaintances often say things like, "I could never do groceries in a place like that. I have kids." So I tell them about the families in my area and what they do, and they mention something else they can't imagine.

     They've been told all their lives their way of life is the best way, and 15MC points out that isn't so, and threatens to take it away.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:28:46 JST Charlie Stross

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     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @eyrea @dampscot @qag Yup. I have three small supermarkets within 250 metres, and three large ones (plus two Chinese) within 1km. A gym 500 metres away. 2 libraries, cinema multiplex, and shopping mall all within 500 metres. Major railway station within 1km. Tram to airport departures terminal (via two out of town big box malls): nearest stop is currently 600 metres away. Also frequent buses (10 minutes apart) or taxis if I don't feel like walking. If I had kids there are several schools nearby.

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     Colin Speirs (dampscot@dice.camp)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:28:52 JST Colin Speirs

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     • Charlie Stross

     @qag @cstross where I live now, I lived in back in the 60s and knew it in the 70s

     It *was* your 15minute city. You had food, clothes, hardware, bakeries, shoe shops etc locally

     It was the move to our of town and big shopping centres that killed that

     Usually these types want to head back to the past, not this time

     Odd that, I wonder why

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:46:18 JST pettter

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     • Charlie Stross
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @cstross @eyrea @dampscot @qag Sure, just pointing out some thing that _might_ be closer by from a suburban/rural location than from an urban home.

     For a sustainable world, urban living and rural/suburban visits is necessary for the majority, but for many people, it's ideal if those are all _the other_ people, and _they_ get to live in a big house in the sticks and have a 30 minute drive to get to a downtown with plentiful parking.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:46:19 JST Charlie Stross

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     • pettter
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @pettter @eyrea @dampscot @qag I live within 500 metres of the centre of a capital city! Despite which, there are some small parks within 500 metres and a national park with a freaking *extinct volcano* in it about 1.5km away, a 30 minute walk or single bus ride. (Bus fares cost £1.80 flat fee, any distance, by the way. Capped at about £5 for unlimited rides in any day.)

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:47:01 JST pettter

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     • Charlie Stross
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @cstross @eyrea @dampscot @qag That is, plentiful _for them_, not plentiful in general - most people agree that large parking lots are an eyesore.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:51:13 JST pettter

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     • Charlie Stross
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @cstross @eyrea @dampscot @qag No disagreements here.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 21:51:14 JST Charlie Stross

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     • pettter
     • eyrea
     • Colin Speirs

     @pettter @eyrea @dampscot @qag They're welcome to drive to a park-and-ride car park at the end of the tram network, and buy a day pass. Then walk/use public transport in town like everybody else. They shouldn't get to dictate how everyone lives, though.