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    Joël Valenzuela (thedesertlynx@liberdon.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:48 JST Joël Valenzuela Joël Valenzuela

    New article for Human Events!

    Our elections need a huge overhaul, and I think I know exactly the trick to fix them. I've been voting by blockchain for a half-decade already, it works and the tech is ready.
    https://humanevents.com/2023/02/01/the-overhaul-americas-election-system-needs-blockchain-voting

    In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:48 JST from liberdon.com permalink

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      The Overhaul America’s Election System Needs: Blockchain Voting
      from humanevents.com
      This means using a secure, public digital database that can be audited by anyone....
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:45 JST silverpill silverpill
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      • Hyolobrika

      @Hyolobrika @thedesertlynx Yeah, e-voting is insecure and can't be fixed.

      This is one of the few areas where blockchain solutionism becomes really dangerous.

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:45 JST permalink
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      hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:46 JST Hyolobrika Hyolobrika
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      @thedesertlynx
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 03:39:46 JST permalink

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      1. Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile
        from Computerphile
        Voting is centuries old, why can't we move with the times and use our phones, tablets and computers? Tom Scott lays out why e-voting is such a bad idea.More ...
      2. Why Electronic Voting Is Still A Bad Idea
        from Tom Scott
        We still shouldn't be using electronic voting. Here's why. • Sponsored by Dashlane — for free on your first device @ https://www.dashlane.com/tomscottMORE B...
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 07:46:53 JST silverpill silverpill
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      • Hyolobrika

      @thedesertlynx Elections rely on centralized government ID system. The government can create fake identities to manipulate the results, and it's nearly impossible to prove it (because no one else knows which voters are real).

      Another reason is social in nature, and arguably even more important. The process should be easily verifiable, otherwise attacks can go unnoticed. With some training everyone can verify the process of in-person voting and manual vote counting. But blockchain-based systems with zero-knowledge proofs? I think there are maybe 100 people on the entire planet who can audit such system, and their objections can be easily ignored (it's already happening). Most likely independent audit won't be allowed for "national security" reasons.

      What you get is a completely opaque system that shows a pre-programmed result.

      @Hyolobrika

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 07:46:53 JST permalink
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      Joël Valenzuela (thedesertlynx@liberdon.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 07:46:54 JST Joël Valenzuela Joël Valenzuela
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      • silverpill

      @silverpill Why is that?

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 07:46:54 JST permalink
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      Joël Valenzuela (thedesertlynx@liberdon.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 22:51:34 JST Joël Valenzuela Joël Valenzuela
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      • silverpill

      @silverpill I mean they can do that with paper

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 22:51:34 JST permalink
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 22:51:34 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @thedesertlynx Fake IDs? In-person voting makes it difficult because somebody needs to physically move around. If you vote 100 times with different IDs, it can be detected. But digital IDs are free and there's no way to verify them, so operators of the voting system can easily create any number of votes.

      In conversation Friday, 03-Feb-2023 22:51:34 JST permalink
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 06:50:22 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @thedesertlynx

      >absentee ballots and mail-in voting

      These are also problematic and often used by governments to manipulate elections.
      Each step of the process should be observable and verifiable by an ordinary person from start to finish (except the ballot submission). E-voting is the opposite of that, because at each step you have to trust the software, its operators, auditors etc.

      In conversation Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 06:50:22 JST permalink
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      Joël Valenzuela (thedesertlynx@liberdon.com)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 06:50:24 JST Joël Valenzuela Joël Valenzuela
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      @silverpill But absentee ballots and mail-in voting have been a thing for a while. And manipulating vote results can happen after it's over and there are no more faces.

      In conversation Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 06:50:24 JST permalink
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:15:01 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @thedesertlynx Ordinary person can't read the code, and when blockchain and zero-knowledge proofs are involved the number of people who can audit the code becomes so small that they can be conveniently ignored.
      Also, if blockchain is permissioned, you have to trust node operators. I doubt any government would run elections on a public permissionless blockchain, but even in that case, with open-source contracts and open-source app built deterministically and distributed through open-source app stores, that app still needs to connect to an identity server that contains centrally issued government IDs. And if the government doesn't have the monopoly over IDs, then it's not the government.

      In conversation Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:15:01 JST permalink
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      Joël Valenzuela (thedesertlynx@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:15:03 JST Joël Valenzuela Joël Valenzuela
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      • silverpill

      @silverpill If it's open-source software you don't have to trust it.

      In conversation Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:15:03 JST permalink
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:18:02 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @thedesertlynx In other words, to have a fair and secure elections on blockchain you need to live in some kind of anarchist utopia but you probably don't need elections there.

      In conversation Monday, 06-Feb-2023 05:18:02 JST permalink

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