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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:28 JST Chris Trottier

   • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
   • icecubesapp

   Just installed @icecubesapp, which like @ivory, is an iOS app for Mastodon that was released today.

   Unlike @ivory, @icecubesapp is open source. It also has a wildly different UI/UX.

   Here’s screenshots of @icecubesapp!

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:04 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet @gruber You can run Mastodon without the fediverse. It is just Mastodon. It's decentralized with or without other software being present, and in fact predates & is the inspiration for most fediverse software that's around today.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:06 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     @gruber Sure, and what's the service?

     It's as much the Fediverse as it is Mastodon.

     After all, you *can* run Mastodon without the Fediverse. Essentially, that's what Truth Social is.

     Further, another thought for you: while Mastodon is the main service people are using now, what will happen when Tumblr joins the Fediverse? Or Flickr? Or Post? That's going to happen this year!

     Or what will happen if there's a user migration from Instagram—like there just was with Twitter? That's feasible!

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     John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:08 JST John Gruber

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     @atomicpoet But the goal of these new apps is just be good clients for popular services people actually use.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:09 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     @gruber Some developers have already built mobile apps with Fediverse interoperability in mind.

     For example, here's one: https://github.com/caraesten/Fedilab

     Fedilab supports Mastodon, Pleroma, Peertube, GNU Social, Friendica and Pixelfed -- and it's open source!

     More to the point, ActivityPub was created with interoperability in mind.

     I get that these are 1.0 apps -- and I appreciate what they're building.

     But the goal of the Fediverse (including Mastodon) is the de-centralization of social media.

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     John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:11 JST John Gruber

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     @atomicpoet Have you written code to speak with both Mastodon and Pleroma servers? Perhaps it’s quite a bit of work to support both. And over never heard of Pleroma before. It seems glaring obvious why these 1.0 apps are Mastodon-only. Mastodon is where the action is.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     Don’t like your local timeline? With @icecubesapp, you can add a local timeline of a remote instance.

     Unfortunately, I’ve only been able to get this to work for Mastodon. Pleroma and Misskey aren’t recognized even though they are part of the Fediverse.

     Why is it like this? There’s no reason to limit to Mastodon.

     ?

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:15 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp

     I’m noticing a trend. Just like with @ivory, @icecubesapp renames #Explore as “Trending”.

     ?

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:20 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     I bet you’re curious about this icon in @icecubesapp

     What does it do? It improves your post through some sort of predictive A.I. magic.

     Many of you might not like that feature. However, some of you might find it to be a game changer if you struggle at composing a post.

     Personally, I don’t mind it.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:22 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Taylor Lorenz
     • icecubesapp

     Hey, look! @icecubesapp supports quoted boosts!

     This is what so many of you wanted!

     cc: @taylorlorenz

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:25 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     These two icons in @icecubesapp are fascinating.

     If you touch the number of posts icon, you get all of them.

     If you click the icon on the right, it will deliver fresh new posts one-by-one.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:26 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     Wanna know about @icecubesapp’s open source bonafides? There’s a link to their Git repo in settings!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:30:27 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     One neat aspect about @icecubesapp is how you can drill down your notifications by type.

     For example, you can find posts that have been edited. Super useful!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 15:39:08 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • John Gruber

     @gruber This blog post by @Gargron, entitled "Why does decentralization matter?" is as true now as it was in 2018. https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/12/why-does-decentralization-matter/

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:05:38 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp
     • Patrick Stewart

     @atomicpoet @patrickstewart @icecubesapp @ivory Interoperability means that you can seamlessly follow a Pixelfed account from your Mastodon account. It does not mean you have to be able to use Pixelfed from a Mastodon app or vice versa.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:05:39 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp
     • Patrick Stewart

     @patrickstewart @icecubesapp @ivory I think the Fediverse was built with interoperability in mind.

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     Patrick Stewart (patrickstewart@thetaoist.online)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:06:11 JST Patrick Stewart

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     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp

     @atomicpoet @icecubesapp @ivory so would you rather an app be more like a jack of all trades? Or is it the branding that you're unhappy with? Do you think it's possible for an app to be created for all major Fediverse platforms at once? I mean the Tapbots guys made 1 app for 12 years for 1 platform. It was an amazing app yes, but I think what you're asking for isn't possible unless you just want them to make a web browser. Now THAT would be cool

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:06:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     On the other hand, while it's exciting that @icecubesapp and @ivory are building upon the ecosystem of Fediverse apps, I'm wondering if these developers are being myopic about what the Fediverse entails.

     Mastodon is not the Fediverse.

     By limiting your apps to Mastodon, you are limiting the Fediverse.

     I hope developers fix this myopia!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:06:13 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp

     Having spent the past hour using @icecubesapp, I'm excited.

     To me, this is *the* best iOS app.

     Not as sleek as @ivory, but it's got a much more innovative UI/UX -- and stuff that really extends the basic functionality of Mastodon.

     And as much as I complain that @icecubesapp doesn't recognize the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, the fact this is open source gives me optimism that this may change in the future.

     This is good now, but it *will* also get better over time!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:06:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     Okay, @icecubesapp puts Explore in as the center icon.

     When you press it, it has lots of discoverability available. I like this quite a bit. Should keep lots of users engaged for awhile.

     You see suggested tags, suggested users, suggested posts, and suggested news.

     HOSHI.jp repeated this.
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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:06:16 JST Chris Trottier

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     • icecubesapp

     It’s nice that @icecubesapp lets me add my self-hosted Mastodon instance.

     It’s not so nice that I can’t add my Pleroma instance without a perpetual spinning.

     This is annoying. These mobile devs need to understand that the Fediverse is bigger than Mastodon.

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     Thomas Ricouard (dimillian@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:14:02 JST Thomas Ricouard

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • John Gruber

     @Gargron @atomicpoet @gruber BTW. Ice cubes support for other kind of server is coming… I guess. But also I have « For Mastodon » in the app name on the App Store so ?♂️

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 16:18:28 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Thomas Ricouard
     • John Gruber

     @dimillian @atomicpoet @gruber I don't think there's any obligation for you to support other types of software. Different software has different UX and completely different client-side APIs. Tumblr and Flickr have their own apps.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 17:07:05 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas Ricouard
     • John Gruber

     @Gargron @dimillian @gruber Do you know that Akkoma is showcasing use of Mastodon's front end as a feature?

     If this happens with more apps, this will get confusing -- since many users will believe they're using Mastodon when they're not.

     https://akkoma.social/

     Also see screenshot.

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     Fediverse Report (fediversereport@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 17:59:28 JST Fediverse Report

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink:
     • icecubesapp
     • Patrick Stewart

     @Gargron @atomicpoet @patrickstewart @icecubesapp @ivory A certain amount of interoperability for microblogging apps would be nice though, like using Pleroma on a Mastodon app.

     Speaking of which, what name do you use to refer to the entire group of microblogging platforms, like when you want to talk about mastodon/pleroma/akkema/misskey/etc together, but not about pixelfed/peertube/etc? Is there a word for that?