Impromptu downtime tonight to (finally) pop the bad stick of RAM. Best time for this is 3 a.m. (both in terms of traffic and for other reasons), but in the interest of making sure I'm not passed out (I am exhausted), I'm planning to bring it down at about midnight. Midnight PST is 08:00 UTC.
@moth@a7@icedquinn pipeworld? Yeah, this is the first new shit I have seen in a minute. You get all these dumb fucking "Well, we moved the compositor, this is the future" deals hailed as a revolution, but really nobody's even doing anything past Windows 95. pipeworld is an actually different thing.
@verita84_uwu@icedquinn@mischievoustomato I just use ratpoison like everywhere except this machine, which is fvwm2 (because a million windows and a mess). I have recently had to touch a Mac and I nearly lost my shit trying to get it to do something reasonable, which it declines to do at every step.
> filing things in to a tree is just a shitty degraded form of a search index.
No, no, this is like saying that you don't need to name something as long as you can point at it.
Having used both a Terrible iThing and a real computer, I can say that a real computer is nicer for most tasks that I want to use a computer for. The concept of a place is not mutually exclusive with the concept of a search index. Search indexes are fine if you remember what you want. Sometimes I don't even know what I want, but I know where it is: you can't replace "walking around the neighborhood" with "type the thing you hope to find into Yelp". With named things in a place, I can communicate this with other people. (I think coders that do a tour of duty in tech support end up cured of some of their notions about UIs. You can communicate a shell one-liner much easier than you can communicate )
I also can't search the entire internet: just searching the web is a big enough pain in the ass half the time. It's simple enough to index your own stuff, but indexing the system's stuff adds in a lot of cases context that you don't want and in a lot of other cases, misses things you want. Indexing the web is a large task. Indexing the entire net is another thing entirely, no one's even attempted it. You get these massive efforts like Shodan and all they do is index the type of thing that sends whatever the data is, it doesn't even have the data.
> outlook mail users.
I think this is the problem. That kind of study gives you data that is over-fit for the task, you can't really extrapolate. I don't need to communicate a specific thing by name to anyone if I'm looking for something in my inbox or I want to send someone something. Paths, and more generally URLs, are pass-by-reference; email is pass-by-value.
If we're lucky, the YOLD people all flock to Wayland and then they wander off with the rest of the people that want a DE and to use Linux the same way people use Windows. Linux might have a chance at being good again after that.
@icedquinn@a7 The cool thing about io10.dev is that you can get, by means of some static content (static from the server's point of view: you can just clone the repo and serve it as static assets), a browser on a standard fluoridated environment to give you a pretty reasonable environment to do normal computing.
I should get back to work but did get fascinated by pipeworld for a minute. It looks like it's full of stuff that I wanted, although it also is full of some stuff that I didn't:
> pipe(“find /usr”, “grep –line-buffered share”)
(Setting aside that he's using some kind of :fluoride: markdown processor :fluoride: that turns U+0022 into U+201c.)
I experimented with this kind of thing a long time back. It's just not going to match the shell. The bare words and the convenience are features for interactive hacking, not bugs. The shell's syntax is specialized for creating this kind of pipeline to fit things together, so it's a moderate bummer that pipeworld, a thing for interactive hacking, picked "not pipes". The rest of it, the data encoding and all of it, that's amazing (or at least the demo is).
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