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@lunarised Well, nuclear is problematic in multiple ways, and since wind/solar seem pretty practical, it would be irresponsible to use it now. The waste that we find no way to deal with, the security concerns that are neglected... not to speak about nuclear weapons. And i hear it is pretty expensive per power generated.

But what i am doubting is that it is the cost of switching. As far as i understand, it is that fossil power infrastructure can net more profits to owners, and switching would prevent them from milking what they already have. So it is important to distinguish between cost to humanity and loss of profits for some few. Not to forget the externalization of costs, as the masses usually suffer more from the ecological damage than the owners.

I generally think oppression (sometimes indirectly and hard to see) is more of an issue than the technology itself.

@lunarised What i had been holding back is the emphasis on the last line, but now that you brought it up... "powers that be" are more dangerous to us than any technology.

I think it becomes obvious with fossil fuel usage: people are often positive about adapting alternatives, but it is not something individuals can do well. A concentration of power is displaying its reluctance to do what is known to be necessary for humanitys survival. The technology would not have been a problem, had it been abandoned when the dangers became clear and alternatives were feasible.

@lunarised Hmm. With irresponsible use of new technology widespread, one could argue that nothing new should be made, since humanity is not mature enough to handle it. But that makes no sense as long as the immature entity has no mature entity to parent.

@lunarised Ah, more of a "can know" thing: engineers work with established technology, scientists also bring upon new technology. So it's not a failing of scientists, but the nature of things.

Yeah, that is another aspect, glad i asked.

@lunarised Seems climate scientists understand very well, but are ignored. Wonder why the focus on scientists and engineers, maybe you want to talk about some aspect i didn't get from the toot?

@freemo I agree with everything you said, including that my logic can be confusing at times.

@freemo I am keeping in mind those you just critizised. It's easy to just take one thing said and assume there is nothing more to it. So i strive to complete aspects that would, by themselves, be misleading.

@freemo As a german, i am reserved about the concept of "strong leaders". More attributes are necessary. Kind, concerned with the common good, all those things the weak "leaders" are lacking too.

@freemo It seems they think Desantis weak... if they'd only keep this internal, huh?

@freemo Hey, that reminds me to listen to "Victim of state power", thanks!

It might be possible that structures arising from human interaction are chaotic, and neither good nor bad at first.

@freemo Hmm, need to look up some weapons dealers to fulfill that one. No nukes ready here, gaming world is much more fulfilling.

@freemo At nuking civilians? I guess so, i never had an interest in doing so :-)

@freemo You did the thing about accepting the murder of civilians en masse, that was a great feat in that regard. I think you are qualified.

@freemo I absolutely mean it that way - it must be systemic, no single individual could just make the bad things that are happen.

What i was trying to say was more in the vein of "what systemic thing is it", and while wars are horrible, they are not a cause.

@freemo So we should not attempt to understand?

Hitler was an individual caught up in events, and we are too.

You are right. It is not important to suss out any base cause, to save humanity. Events will play out, and that is it. Humanity is not necessary, and what happens will happen, and the universe will not be worse if we vanish.

Yes, i think i can be at peace with that.

@freemo If you name the war as the base cause, you are absolving humans and their behavioral patterns.

Not putting effort into cooperation, not investing the effort necessary for effective communication, these would be examples i could accept.

What are you trying to say? What is the base cause, a magical war that follows humans around because a god mandated it? Or is there something else, a flaw we should probably adress?

@freemo @Hyolobrika War happens, no fault in humans?

That is a relief. And i silly goose thought i should regulate my emotions!

@freemo @Hyolobrika Are we still on track to search for the cause?

@freemo Ah, so you are implying your political system is a problem of note.
I can see that, it might well be why the US have such a negative effect on the rest of the world.

The place most amenable for humans to exist, producing the conditions to destroy humanity. Q would be pleased.

@freemo
Psychosis happening in the us, randomly, for no base reason? Spreading, for no additional reason but that it is infectious, right now, not ten or a hundred years previous?

Everything i heard about renewable energy points towards "we could". Everything i heard about nutrition points toward "we could feed everyone".
Why do we keep people in agony? Does it not make sense to seek a reason that causes people to behave this way, beyond "psychosis is infectious", infecting only one country, as far as i catch your drift?