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   The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 21:57:48 JST The MILF Messiah
   My sperg take is that humans have been very lucky that our technological expansion hasn't caused our extinction
   
   Technology is a tool not without consequence, something scientists don't understand but engineers do
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:13:41 JST The MILF Messiah

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     The inherent destructive nature of humanity always makes me concerned about how we handle security and the theatrics of safety.
     
     I don't like Nuclear for reasons I've previously stated, but even hydro just takes a handful of bad actors to cause unfathomable damage. Pretending that these types of threats aren't realistic is pretty stupid once you see what the US has done globally
     
     If the person who creates a technology can break it, it's not safe... see old adage about a good sysadmin shouldn't be able to take down his own system
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:25:55 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @admitsWrongIfProven The man who first split the atom, Ernest Ruthorford, would have no way of knowing the death that his discoveries would lead to. Not only the death, but the constant ever present threat of mutually assured destruction, something that was never seen in his time. He didn't live to see the effects of even a nuclear bomb, and I wonder if he did, whether he would see his discovery as a feat of humanity, or a discovery of terror
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:25:56 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised Seems climate scientists understand very well, but are ignored. Wonder why the focus on scientists and engineers, maybe you want to talk about some aspect i didn't get from the toot?

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:30:46 JST The MILF Messiah

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven I'm not putting any blame on scientists. Rutherford being "huh, I do the thing and I make helium and the electrons go missing" couldn't have given him any clue about what was going to happen (yes I'm aware Rutherford wasn't that clueless)
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:30:47 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised Ah, more of a "can know" thing: engineers work with established technology, scientists also bring upon new technology. So it's not a failing of scientists, but the nature of things.

     Yeah, that is another aspect, glad i asked.

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:40:18 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @admitsWrongIfProven
     I think my point is it's a process that is inevitable
     
     Physicist discovers something seemingly new but a bit useless
     Chemist finds a niche use
     Engineer builds something productive for society
     Powers that be coerce engineers to build morally bad thing
     
     It's unfortunately a thing where the only time you realize the danger in a technology, it's too late not to weaponise it
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:40:19 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised Hmm. With irresponsible use of new technology widespread, one could argue that nothing new should be made, since humanity is not mature enough to handle it. But that makes no sense as long as the immature entity has no mature entity to parent.

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:50:51 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @admitsWrongIfProven It's all Economics.
     
     I make no secret that I hate nuclear power. Its very clean in some manners, but also creates pretty bad byproducts.
     
     If we all swapped to more renewable sources 10 years ago, it'd all be good, but the upfront cost to switch, both monetary and labor-migratory will always put it off. Only when maintaining a plant costs more than shutting it down and making renewables, will we see a shift.
     
     Governments need to incentivise green energy and stop with the EV shit as a "we care and are trying gesture"
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:50:52 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised What i had been holding back is the emphasis on the last line, but now that you brought it up... "powers that be" are more dangerous to us than any technology.

     I think it becomes obvious with fossil fuel usage: people are often positive about adapting alternatives, but it is not something individuals can do well. A concentration of power is displaying its reluctance to do what is known to be necessary for humanitys survival. The technology would not have been a problem, had it been abandoned when the dangers became clear and alternatives were feasible.

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:56:20 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @Hyolobrika @admitsWrongIfProven I think the human desire for preservation will always have a evil lean to it, I don't think most people are corrupt, I just think that people like to make sure they get their slice of pie before others, and to them, they likely see plenty of pie left to go around. But when it's at the bottom, you look up and people towards the top get bigger and bigger bits. I don't think it's evil that caused it... just human nature multiplied several times
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 22:56:21 JST Hyolobrika

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     Is it possible to have power that isn't evil?
     I reckon that power is merely a multiplier for whatever tendencies exist in a person already. And is there any person who is 100% good?
     
     (Not sure if this is true or not but decided to post anyway as a conversation starter)
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:00:02 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @Hyolobrika @admitsWrongIfProven I think it's the same, but one evil person can stop more good happening than cause more evil to happen. If that makes sense. He can just not pass any cake downwards. It just takes one
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:00:03 JST Hyolobrika

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     Does power multiply evil more than good?
     is it more likely to attract people the more evil those people are?
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:00:47 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised Well, nuclear is problematic in multiple ways, and since wind/solar seem pretty practical, it would be irresponsible to use it now. The waste that we find no way to deal with, the security concerns that are neglected... not to speak about nuclear weapons. And i hear it is pretty expensive per power generated.

     But what i am doubting is that it is the cost of switching. As far as i understand, it is that fossil power infrastructure can net more profits to owners, and switching would prevent them from milking what they already have. So it is important to distinguish between cost to humanity and loss of profits for some few. Not to forget the externalization of costs, as the masses usually suffer more from the ecological damage than the owners.

     I generally think oppression (sometimes indirectly and hard to see) is more of an issue than the technology itself.

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:01:42 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @admitsWrongIfProven I think you're onto something boss. I'm not read in the economics so I'll leave it to you. What you're saying makes sense and rings true to me though
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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:09:17 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised @Hyolobrika Another take: Pooling resources is a powerful way to achieve more than everyone could individually, but pooled resources are vulnerable to be highjacked by people that didn't even contribute anything.

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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2024 23:09:18 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @lunarised @Hyolobrika We are so used to having people in power that the cake being made by the many is not even in our worldview anymore ^^

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven @Hyolobrika that's pretty much my take on the miracle of consumer capitalism. Unfortunately, It falls apart it seems