Notices by marcusb (marcusb@mastodon.sdf.org)

@FediThing @jwz @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing No idea. Here’s what I’ve observed, after participating in many discussions about this over the last week*:

Half of the advocates (Cory Doctorow, et al.) approach this from the Big Idea perspective. “Interoperability(TM)” will force Bluesky’s hand. No other details matter.

The other half nerd out on some detail of AT-Proto or another: “all ya gotta do is get 20M users to host their own PDS”. No other details matter.

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* do not recommend

@riotnrrd @FediThing @jwz @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing

Bridgy lets you talk to users on Bluesky. Bridgy does not cost $30M.

@egerlach @neurobashing @jwz No...There's no reliable interop here. Bluesky controls almost the entire ecosystem. The instant they decide they don't want to interop, they'll change one or more of the things they control to turn it off, even if you think some current or future aspect of AT-proto makes that impossible. (It does not.) The plan here is to build something that can only work if you trust Bluesky, for the threat model where you don't trust Bluesky. This plan is that dumb.

@Infoseepage @jwz there are several other tools with similar goals. I wrote one with static sites in mind (no server-side dependencies, all non-sense pre-generated. https://marcusb.org/hacks/quixotic.html). Others I know about are: https://github.com/Fingel/django-llm-poison, https://codeberg.org/MikeCoats/poison-the-wellms, https://codeberg.org/timmc/marko/, https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/, and https://github.com/earthboundkid/heffalump.

@scribe I mostly use my password manager's 2FA for random web stuff, but I use hardware tokens for anything even remotely valuable. I wrote about my hardware token setup on my blog (https://marcusb.org/posts/2024/03/consolidated-guide-to-using-yubikeys-with-linux/)

@danimo @johl @pluralistic what would be the benefit of having multiple federation protocols? Different servers with different moderation and federation policies, I understand, but two protocols to support sounds like a lot of extra tech debt to maintain for no discernible benefit.

@penguin42 @codewiz my preferred technique for something like this in thin sheet metal is to drill a hole with a bit the same size as the length of the finished square, then use a file to finish the corners.

@GossiTheDog the contrail behind the engines should be dropping buzzwords like AI, ML, and zero trust