Notices by pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se), page 16

@owl EWI actually, but potato potato :)

New release! My band #RYAUmeå has a new single out _now_ on both Bandcamp and Spotify and other platforms. It's called 'Cursing Creek', and is a kind of a different tune from the last one, with no lyrics and a bit different instrumental setup. Still folksy and jazzy and proggy and with many different sections and almost nine minutes long though. We do have shorter tunes! Just not out.. yet!

Hope you enjoy!

https://ryamusicumea.bandcamp.com/track/cursing-creek

@etherdiver #music #nowplaying #jazz

Superfin spelning med #RYAUmeå igår på Pipes of Scotland i #umeå, find att se både @ericj och @livs_ord i publiken också :)

Om man vill se oss live och missade så finns det en ny chans på eftermiddagen lördag 2/11 på Kafé Ordens!

@mkvlr Link to the essay? @Felienne

@baldur You have a very different "leftist blogosphere" view than I have.

@ChrisMayLA6 @NWBylines why would the current labour government need to be pressured into anything 'business-friendly'?

@Anders_S Fast om man läser den bakomliggande forskningen, som exvis på SLU Aqua [1] så blir ju bilden ganska annorlunda. Oavsett vad ICES i slutändan rekommenderar för kvot så rapporterar ju samtidigt SLU (som är del av ICES) att betånden minskar, att bestånden är fortsatt svaga, och att fiskeridödligheten bör minimeras och bestånden återuppbyggas både för Centrala Östersjön och för Bottniska Viken.

[1] https://fiskbarometern.se/rapport/2023/species/Sill%2FStr%C3%B6mming

@urlyman @ChrisMayLA6 Also, consumer buying power is at such a miserably low level that whether or not you consume some specific good has very little do with whether it gets produced. Empty planes flew back and forth all through the pandemic. New, never worn clothes get dumped en masse in deserts and river deltas. AI tech firms build new fossil fuel plants to power features that no one wants and no one pays for, on the off chance that they get a monopoly of some sort that they can exploit.

@urlyman @ChrisMayLA6 It has nothing to do with thermodynamics and everything to do with capitalism.

@ChrisMayLA6 Not necessarily - I don't see in the article that he claims that degrowthers are actually claiming this, just that it is part of the 'image problem'. I'd contend that that image is indeed the result of PR campaigns from growth advocates, rather than what degrowth advocates actually say, but that it's very real. However, he still doesn't seriously engage with work such as Jason Hickels on Decent Living Standards for example. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452292924000493

@ChrisMayLA6 I don't think I've seen a lot of degrowth advocates who don't also pair it with global inequality reduction and, indeed, 'growth' in overexploited regions.

@yaxu not aware of any PL with sarcasm though :)

@yaxu mm, I mean depending on how you define things and what you're after you could call various things borderlands such as logic programming and proof system, as well as specification languages. ML is an interesting programming language in terms of dialects since it had so many, for example.

@yaxu you mean the NLS? Could you link me some examples? To be clear I'm not saying computers or programming languages aren't useful for things like (offline/human-to-human) knowledge work and so on, quite the contrary. However I would argue that they are more useful for those purposes that NL specifically for their non-NL properties, and that when used in such a way they in a sense stop being PL, but I think I start to understand better what you're getting at.

@yaxu well no, speech is arguably primarily used for communication with others. The agitation of air is a means to that end, which is why (spoken) language also works as written language for example, or you could use subvocalisation and bone conducting headphones to speak with very little air being vibrated at all.

@rasmusfleischer Vad i hela hälsingland?

"Glädjesiffrorna" som basuneras ut i DN handlar om hur "ett genomsnittligt hushåll" eller "en genomsnittlig löntagare" ska få "flera tusenlappar mer i plånboken".
Samtidigt påpekas i slutet av artikeln att många kommer att få det sämre.

Så vad för slags genomsnitt syftar man på?
https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/gladjesiffrorna-flera-tusenlappar-mer-i-planboken-nasta-ar/ (1/2)

@yaxu Of course, tools that get developed for one purpose are then used for other purposes, that's just how reality works. That doesn't make the original purpose of the thing go away, however.

The point of a table knife or coin doesn't stop being 'cutting food' or 'paying for stuff' just because you use it to fasten a screw.

@yaxu I mean, you can slice things as you like and defines things arbitrarily (and with any level of fuzziness and change over time) - this is exactly what we use natural language for.

However, a common and useful categorisation of 'programming languages' contra 'natural language' is that programming languages are primarily intended and used to program a computer without having to interact directly with machine specifics, and other uses are secondary. PL are primarily computer abstractions.

@yaxu That strikes me as a category error: There's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from programming languages to inform new forms and usages of natural language, but the entire point of programming languages is their (relative) stability, unambiguity, and so on. I suppose various LLM-powered chatbots and such could be seen as attempts at what you're describing, but then again, I'd argue they fail, and will mostly always fail..