Notices by yoasif (yoasif@mastodon.social), page 2

@tchambers @gedankenstuecke @anthropy I'm not going to argue with your analysis, but Vivaldi doesn't own their future, as they don't have the revenue to fund their own engine, and the founders sold out and gave up on their old engine (Presto) that existed in Opera.

Why think the future of Vivaldi is brighter than Opera when Opera owned its future by owning their engine?

Beyond that, how is a nascent engine like Servo meant to have a brighter future than two that are actively funded?

@gedankenstuecke @tchambers I don't think you need a lot of faith in Mozilla to use LibreWolf (example), rather than a closed source browser that definitely helps Google balkanize the web.

Even if you argue that by trusting LibreWolf, you also trust Mozilla, Vivaldi's situation seems worse: you have to trust Google + Vivaldi doesn't actually have an opinion on the web platform + it is also closed source.

How is that preferable exactly? It is utterly confusing to me.

https://mastodon.derg.nz/@anthropy/115174177394901935

@tchambers @gedankenstuecke As I said, you are promoting the Chromium monopoly.

@tchambers @gedankenstuecke Why not pick a more "secure wrapper" then? You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, and are drinking the bathwater, waiting for a new baby.

Relevant: https://mastodon.derg.nz/@anthropy/115174177394901935

@tchambers @gedankenstuecke I know Google wants it to be over, but somehow I am browsing from Firefox.

So weird to push the idea of Servo, which can't browse most websites, in order to downplay Firefox as an option. Letting the "perfect" (hardly) become an enemy of the good, while just contributing to the monopoly.

@dalias I think that there is some integration with your "OSKeyStore":

https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/extensions/formautofill/content/manageDialog.mjs#23

Some references to this in automated tests:

https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/modules/tests/browser/browser_CreditCard.js

I found someone referencing this in troubleshooting as well: https://www.codejam.info/2022/05/firefox-credit-card-autofill-not-working-on-linux.html

@dalias Eh, I think it is a real feature - security comes in layers - but it isn't going to work for a determined hacker.

@dalias FWIW, I believe this is the feature, and under the hood, it doesn't change the way the data is stored, it is more of a roadblock to people who can't exfiltrate your data: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-password-authentification-prompt

@dalias I believe this is just using OS authentication to validate access to this data (and not actually storing it differently). Can you share the prompt you see?

@gonzo @vaurora Chromium is removing support for those extensions too, that is just delaying the inevitable.

@youronlyone Pointless to base your browser on an engine that gets worse web compatibility. With Chromium, you get to free-ride off of Google and Microsoft.

@MediaActivist I don't see it that way, I think the Chromium option is clearly inferior. Using a browser built on Chromium tech serves the interest of Google's vision of the web, whereas anyone can use a different search engine in any browser they use.

I don't see that as splitting hairs, I see the difference here being much more significant.

@MediaActivist I don't see how going to a Chromium browser because Google pays Mozilla for search engine placement makes a whole lot of sense, personally. 😅

If you have an issue with Google's money why do you have no issue with Google's tech?