@SuperDicq >Normies using Linux on top of proprietary operating systems does not help us with anything.
and neither is nagging on them to use some super esoteric setup gonna do anything, if they want to use the easy stuff they are gonna use the easy stuff, me personally, i just pick what works, because i recognise and work on my moral failings that are all substantially higher on the list than "using software with a restrictive license", i avoid google like the plague and remove the stuff i don't like, but i don't lose hairs about it, and neither does anybody else, i know there is some level of google nonsense i have to deal with, and it's whatever, i removed most of the problem, 80% of the problem gone with 20% of the effort.

>Android for example has made Linux into one of the most widely used kernels in the world.

>Has this brought us any advancements in terms of software freedom?

no but it makes a mid operating system (not that i thing smartphones are an invention that brought much "pros" to my life) yeah there is proprietary parts to the whole operating system, but it is an "operating system", it doesn't need to be fully free, just mostly free as to get the benefits a person has when using free software.

but the question here is, how does people start using an operating system that is more free, rather than all proprietary, harm the free software movement? it would get more support, and more people would be knowledgeable.

and then the question is? is the problem here that it is harmful to free software movements? or is the problem that pewdiepie failed to properly portray free software, and the movement? thus getting people into a sort of uneducated expectation?