Yes, thank you for explaining.

For me, a clue-less end-user the latest PhP upgrade cycle is done breaking my Joomla 3.x. installations. I understand the argument that PhP 7.x and Joomla 3.x must go, I just do not accept it.

Whereas Web2Py just keeps ticking, no major interruption since Debian 10 when I first installed it.

I installed and used Devuan since the first release.. Webmin has nice support for it as well. I did not know that PhP is better tracked on Devuan than on Debian.

That leaves Joomla, anything you care to share about Joomla, please?