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    pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Apr-2025 12:00:33 JSTpistoleropistolero
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    • Crispy Branzino
    @Nimbius666

    > but its the last resort when youre faced with someone who hasn't progressed with the material.

    Well, it was pretty quick. I have in fact progressed with the material, and eventually past it.

    > I'm just intent on ensuring everyone can learn.

    Everyone can learn. In fact, if one cares to read, we're at an unprecedented time.

    > Trotsky stated peasants lack class conscience and can seek emancipation through alliance with the proletariat in revolution.

    Yes, so I read. He was of the opinion that they inevitably fall in with the bourgeois interests. That is, they come to the wrong conclusion and thus cannot be allowed to make decisions. This is arrogant enough to be called foolish: Trotsky was an idiot.

    > The role of the vanguard, the party, is to align the proletariat with goals and objectives to achieve Marxist communism.

    A set of elites to make the decisions to achieve the objective, without regard for whether the idea is even good.

    > The proletariat sees their class role and understand the need to make revolution.

    Per Trotsky, "This program is a scientific program. It is based on an objective analysis of the objective situation. It cannot be understood by the workers as a whole." This is to say that he has decided for them what is in their interest and that whether or not they agree with it--which, in his view, is impossible, because they cannot understand it--it has to be done.

    > These are levels of leadership, not crutches upon which failure rests.

    It was a strictly ideologically regimented structure; his criteria were whether people were aligned with his philosophy and whether they achieved his own objectives rather than whether they were free to make their own decisions.

    > I'm not certain what this is relevant to?

    That was the hierarchy: Trotsky over the party, the party over the vanguard, and the vanguard over the worker/peasant alliance. ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/pr10.htm )
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