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4 just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love.

5 He destined us for adoption as his children through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace that he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

i am not that far in the bible to have gotten here yet, so granted i don't have much authority to speak here, just from what i have understood, and from what i have been taught when i participated in studying the bible.

ironically, just today i have heard of the story of Paul and Philemon and read it during lunch (both english and german).

i think this would be a letter Paul sent to the church in Ephesia.

so this would be referring to Christians, but it doesn't seem to specifically exclude non-Christians either in this, i will read through Ephisians fully eventually, and take my time with it, i still have a lot to read through still, while i did learn a lot through the bible study and was able to understand a lot more, i still have a lot more to go, so if i am somewhere wrong here do tell me.

what i have learned however, as a catholic here, is that free will is essential to our human experience, and the fact that we can choose to follow the Holy Spirit, is what gives meaning to our journey, this is also what i feel about it